Time Slips Explained: Liminal Spaces, Bold Street, and the Block Universe

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What Are Time Slips?

In this fascinating episode of the Wondering Monsters Podcast, Baba, Danny C, and WDG dive into one of the strangest paranormal phenomena reported across history … time slips. A time slip is typically described as a sudden, brief experience in which a person appears to slip into another era. These events often occur without warning. Someone might be walking down a street, stepping off a train, or driving late at night when they suddenly feel dizzy, lightheaded, or hear a buzzing sound. Then something changes. The buildings look different. Storefronts appear decades older. People are dressed in clothing from another century. Street signs shift. In some cases, the experiencer attempts to interact with others only for everything to snap back to normal within seconds.

Unlike structured time travel narratives, time slips are:

• Short in duration (usually seconds to a minute)
• Unplanned and uncontrolled
• Difficult or impossible to verify
• Often deeply disorienting

The episode explores whether these events represent literal movement through time or something far stranger.

Famous Time Slip Cases

The hosts examine several well-known and widely discussed examples of alleged time slips.

The Moberly-Jourdain Incident (Versailles, 1901)

Two English women visiting the Palace of Versailles reported encountering people dressed in 18th-century clothing. They later came to believe they had somehow witnessed scenes from the time of Marie Antoinette. The women eventually published a book detailing their experience, sparking decades of debate. Skeptics suggest misinterpretation or historical imagination. Believers see it as one of the strongest documented time slip cases in history.

Bold Street, Liverpool

Bold Street has become synonymous with modern time slip reports. Over multiple decades, individuals (including police officers) have reported briefly finding themselves in what appeared to be earlier versions of the same street.

Witnesses describe:

• Shops reverting to 1950s-era storefronts
• Different signage and products
• Period clothing
• Sudden reversion to present day

The recurring location raises an intriguing possibility: could certain places function as thin spots in time?

The Philadelphia Experiment

While not a traditional time slip, the Philadelphia Experiment is mentioned as a related anomaly narrative involving alleged temporal displacement of a naval vessel. Though widely debunked, it remains part of the broader cultural conversation about time distortion.

Why Do Time Slips Almost Always Go Backward?

An interesting pattern emerges: most time slip accounts involve travel into the past, not the future. Why?

• We might not recognize future elements as unusual.
• Fashion and architecture cycle, making future eras harder to distinguish.
• Reports may reflect psychological projection rather than physical displacement.

If someone from the 1970s glimpsed modern streetwear, would they even realize they had traveled forward? The ambiguity complicates interpretation.

Liminal Spaces and Folklore Connections

A major theme of the episode is the connection between time slips and liminal spaces, threshold moments or locations between states. In Japanese folklore, there is a concept called Omagatoki (the hour of meeting evil spirits), referring to twilight, the in-between time between day and night. During this transitional period, the boundary between worlds is believed to weaken. Similarly, Western folklore includes stories of:

• Fairy realms
• People disappearing into hills or forests
• Returning years later unchanged

These stories mirror time slip narratives: brief crossings between realities, often tied to spiritually charged places. Are time slips simply a modern retelling of ancient fairy lore?

The Dinosaur Encounter: Perception or Time Travel?

One particularly striking story shared in the episode involves a doctor driving late at night in the American Midwest. She reportedly saw dinosaurs in the distance before reality snapped back. If she truly slipped millions of years into the past, the modern road should not have existed. So what happened? The hosts consider an alternative explanation: perhaps time slips are not physical transportation, but perceptual overlays, brief access to another layer of reality. This leads to one of the episode's most thought-provoking ideas.

The Block Universe Theory

The conversation shifts toward physics and philosophy, specifically the block universe theory of time. In this model:

• Time is not a flowing river.
• Past, present, and future all exist simultaneously.
• Events are coordinates in spacetime.
• We simply experience them sequentially.

If all moments exist at once, could certain conditions allow someone to briefly access another coordinate? This would reframe time slips not as movement, but as momentary shifts in perception. The hosts also explore:

• The arrow of time in physics
• Why we have memory of the past but not the future
• Whether time is a tool humans invented to measure change
• How time differs from physical measurement like distance

The philosophical implications are profound and unsettling.

Haunted Buildings and Ghost Architecture

Another intriguing concept raised is that perhaps locations themselves can be haunted … not just by spirits, but by their own past states. What if:

• A building could echo a previous version of itself?
• Certain conditions allow us to see the ghost of an older structure?
• Time slip events are similar to residual hauntings?

This theory merges paranormal investigation with metaphysics and energy-based interpretations of reality.

Credible Witnesses and the Social Risk Factor

The hosts discuss the idea of the credible witness where people who gain nothing socially from reporting paranormal experiences. Police officers. Farmers. Professionals. In some cases, reporting such an experience could damage reputation or social standing. So why would someone make it up? At the same time, the episode acknowledges:

• Human perception is unreliable.
• Fatigue and stress alter time perception.
• Trauma can stretch or compress subjective time.
• Experiences do not necessarily equal objective events.

This tension between subjective certainty and objective verification sits at the heart of time slip discussions.

Time, Mortality, and Human Obsession

The episode concludes by zooming out philosophically. Humans obsess over time because:

• We are aware of mortality.
• We experience aging.
• We cannot control its passage.
• We measure productivity by it.

Ancient symbolism, like the Roman god Saturn holding a scythe, reinforces the idea that time eventually harvests us all. Perhaps time slips fascinate us because they challenge the inevitability of time's one-way march. If time can bend, even briefly, what else might be possible?

Are Time Slips Real?

The Wondering Monsters Podcast does not claim definitive answers. Instead, the episode presents multiple interpretations:

• Literal temporal displacement
• Psychological perception shifts
• Folkloric parallels
• Spacetime coordinate theory
• Residual hauntings
• Social storytelling phenomena

Time slips sit at the intersection of physics, folklore, psychology, and philosophy. Whether you believe they are paranormal events, neurological glitches, or glimpses into a block universe, they raise one undeniable truth: Time is stranger than we think.

For deeper discussion, humor, and philosophical exploration, listen to this episode of the Wondering Monsters Podcast as the hosts debate dinosaurs, Bold Street, liminal twilight hours, and the unsettling nature of time itself. Because if time isn't a river, but a landscape, you might already be standing somewhere unexpected.

Links from the Show

• Bigfoot, Sasquatch, and the Wild Man Tradition
• Are Theaters REALLY Haunted Places?
• What are Liminal Spaces and Why Do They Feel So Weird?
• Mothman and a Horrific Bridge Collapse
• Are Real Psychics Actually Able To Predict The Future?
• Hellhounds in Mythology & Folklore
• Nessie Cryptid History: The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster

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Baba: Eventually I'll get to shave this head again and I'll be bald once again, which is never anachronistic cause there have been those all throughout history.

Danny C: So speaking of history, let's talk time slips.

Baba: Go, right.

Danny C: So time slips for anyone joining us that is not familiar with the concept. It's this idea where usually it happens out of nowhere, where someone is walking somewhere, sometimes driving, sometimes on a train, sometimes getting off of a train or onto a train. But generally speaking, it's you are moving in some capacity and all of a sudden you might feel lightheaded, you might hear a buzzing sound, you might feel dizzy, feel weird. And all of a sudden you notice that the buildings surrounding you aren't the same buildings or they are the same buildings, but they look newer or the signs are different or you're in the process of walking into a shop and the shop looks crazy old, like it was from something from 50 years ago or something like that. And then you might try to interact with someone and all of a sudden, you're back to normal and everything looks normal again. And the idea behind is, it seems to be the case that people are slipping from one time period and going into another time period. And it usually happens for, from what I gather, it seems like it's several seconds, maybe a half a minute, maybe as much as a minute, depending on the stories you're reading or hearing. But generally speaking, a fairly short period of time and then you're kind of brought back into reality. So that is the gist of what a time slip is. The thing I find interesting about time slips is that there's no way to corroborate really what's happening. There are plenty of stories, there are plenty of anecdotes out there about time slips, but there's no real evidence to support it. I might be jumping ahead a little bit,

WDG: but- Let's get real back here.

Danny C: But there are a couple of high profile examples of time slips. So maybe I can write off these first three real quick and then maybe we can tackle them one by one and just kind of see where they take us, maybe jump into, we can slip between the different stories maybe. But there was the one that was the Morberley-Jordane, I don't even know if I'm saying those names right, but that's in Versailles, the 1900s. Essentially these two, I think there were two women, they were in this garden area. All of a sudden they see people that appear to be in older clothing. These women eventually walk away, they slip back into current time. And then later, days later, they've realized what they think actually happened and they tell their story. And about 10 years later, I believe they actually wrote a book about it. So that's case number one. Case number two is Bold Street in Liverpool. And I find this one kind of interesting because this is a modern example where people tend to report having time slips in this area. And they might not even be familiar with the concept of time slips, so they say, that they might report something that happened and then someone else might say, "Oh, it sounds like you had a time slip." And it's like, "Oh, look, it was on Bold Street in Liverpool "where other people are reporting this." So that's event number two. And then the third one, which isn't really a time slip per se, but I thought it'd be kind of fun to throw in. If we talk briefly about the Philadelphia experiment, which has to do with more so, the transportation of a large vessel from one area of the United States to another. So where do we want to go from here? Who wants to tackle this one first?

WDG: It is kind of interesting in the sense of like, the Liverpool one that you're talking about, like I'm very vaguely familiar with that, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some of the people that also experienced it were like police, like it happens over like in the same kind of spot, you know, and it's over like the course of many years that this has happened, right? So it's like, that almost feels like much more like a weird, like haunting Bermuda triangle thing, right? It's a space, it's kind of busted up timewise, right? Like, let's just say, let's just assume that we're talking about this as being like an actual, you know, event before we like decide to break down if it's not happening or is or whatever. But like, it's kind of like, that feels more like haunting. It's almost like, it's like that kind of thing that kind of recording version of the haunting, the haunted theaters and stuff like that. You know, it's like, you go into this area and sometimes you'll blink in time. It's really weird that there's not as much, I couldn't find it except for like that one example of like, the, was it like the band from Toreen or whatever? Like it was like the guy has supposedly appeared in Japan and like the 50s with like a wrong thing, but like there's very little time slip that seems to happen in the other direction. It's usually like, I'm here walking around, and all of a sudden, boom, I'm in the past. Like I'm in a 1950s diner all of a sudden or whatever it is, you know, it's like, you rarely seem like the other side where like our timeline, like I was like a person that like comes from the future and they end up in the past or something like that. Like it's like, it's like, I mean, but then again, I guess, how would you know? You could just be walking down the street, you see someone dressed weird, like I said, like, you know, weird and like, you know, like maybe it feels, and then like you turn around, they're gone. How would you, time slips down, time slips to feel like a liminal space falling into the back rooms or ending up in a fairy plane or kind of vibe to it anyways.

Baba: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I'll bring up like a weird concept in, there's a concept in Japanese folklore called Omagatoki, Omagatoki. The hour for meeting evil spirits is the translation, right? You know, but the, but it basically, it's this hour between like sunset and night. It's like the twilight, twilight zone, right? The twilight, is it, get it? Yeah, it's between spaces again, you know, here we go with this liminal stuff and where the idea is that spirits, Chimi Murio, which is the first time I encountered that word, evil spirits and Yokai, which is more of a big basket collection of, yeah, ghosts and supernatural entities and things like that. And they live in this other world and we live in this world. And the idea is that you can accidentally wander in during that time and they can wander in here too. And so like you might be walking through the mountains or something, you know, I'll just pick cliche, kind of Japanese story, you know, you're walking through the mountains and it's kind of foggy. And then here you are in this land of Yokai and spirits and things like that. And presumably at some point you get back to tell the story and it may be a long time later. So it's like very much that, like the Faye tale type thing, like, oh, here's this person, they disappeared. They show up 30 years later and haven't aged or whatever, but everybody else had it, like that kind of thing. Or they show up later and they have aged, you know, but they've got these stories.

WDG: But they show up a few minutes later and they're very older or something like that.

Baba: Yeah, like all these weird kind of inconsistent time kind of things. And so, so yeah, but this kind of concept of like, you're wandering around and all of a sudden you slip into this other space like that, very similar to Faye or fairy stories of similar kinds of things.

Danny C: But there's an interesting that you mentioned the whole idea of, you know, in the stories, people slip backwards, never forwards.

Baba: Yeah.

Danny C: I'm picturing people like physically slipping, like, whoa. But it's very fascinating that, you know, it seems true to what you say. And also it seems true, you know, if you did see someone from like, you know, 50 years in the future, you might not necessarily recognize them. So for instance, imagine someone in the 70s, you know, time slipping forward, you might see someone in the 70s and it's like, the tie dye, you know, it's back around now, though the wide leg jeans are back around, you might mistake that for, you know, a current time regardless of you're in the 70s or present time. So that's kind of interesting that idea.

Baba: Yeah, yeah, like time slipping into the future. It seems safer to time slip into the future. Look, it depends on the future, okay, guys?

WDG: Your time slipping too, like, so, you know, irradiated waste time, right? Oh God.

Baba: You come back and they're like, how do we pay for stuff? You just have old money, you know? (Laughing)

WDG: You just get pissed off about like, why did Coca-Cola cost so much now?

Baba: You have old money but you can't afford anything. Or you've got all this new money that you could afford tons of stuff, but it's no good because it's all looks fake. The best bet is to like have old money that you got in the future that you can travel back with, I guess. At that point, I don't know, you're just a time traveler at that point. It's not time slipping anymore. Yeah, yeah, now you're dead. If you planned it, you're a traveler. If you didn't, you're a slipper. (Laughing) A person slipper. Not to be confused with Yokai that becomes animated and is it like a bedroom slipper or something?

WDG: So, something that does seem to be in the case is like, you know, with this is like, there's always like, it has to be a place that has like, you know, layers on it, like some historical significance, something that like things have been there for a long time, right? Because you wouldn't like, like if you were say in, I don't know, a general American city, right? Like, it doesn't even matter like, do New York or Philadelphia or something and you slipped like 300 years in the past, there's like trees, like, you know, maybe a house. (Laughing) It's like, it was just like, but it's like, it's often like there's like, it's like, it's either like, like when you're talking about like folklore kind of versions of this, it's like, well, it's a spiritually significant time and a possibly in between place, you know, this like spiritual kind of woods or like a hollowed ground kind of thing. And then in like the other cases, it's like, you know, Liverpool, like that's been, you know, in some variation for a long time, you know, it's like, so if you're doing a time jump, 50 years in the past or hundreds of, you know, it's like stuff is there, you know, or like Versailles, you know, it's like, I slipped back into, you know, an older time of France, like where it was still had lots of buildings and lots of people. (Laughing) You didn't fall back into like, you know, like all of a sudden it's like, you know, Neolithic times or something like that. It's just not.

Danny C: Well, here's the interesting story for you. So I was listening to a podcast whose name shall remain nameless, but this, No free plugs, no free plugs. Yeah, no free plugs here. You gotta support the Ghost Hey up, hey up. So, but what it was, this, I can't remember if it was the, it was about a couple. And I can't remember if it was the woman telling the story or if it was the husband telling the story from his perspective. I don't remember, but regardless, the story goes like this. It takes place in the Midwest. The woman was a doctor and she was driving and it was late at night. Husband was asleep in the car. And she's driving and all of a sudden has like that very stereotypical change in what she's feeling, dizzy, you know, like whatever it was. And she sees out in the distance dinosaurs. And she's like, I can't, I can't be right. That's, and like, how's this mental, like what is going on? I believe tries to wake her husband up and like that fast, like things kind of snapped back to normal. So, so this would be an example of one of those rare instances, I guess, where someone slips way back.

WDG: Yeah. Yeah.

Baba: That's, but then we're back in Loch Ness territory. You get it.

Danny C: But, but it's interesting. I'm thinking about this a little more logically now. So if Baba, you talked about this when we were at the Loch Ness episode, the idea of, you know, when you're in a liminal space, it gives you the ability to perceive things from another, another arrow or something like that. I'm thinking if this person actually legit did a time slip, the road which she was driving on would no longer be there.

WDG: So it'd be a tree inside of her car or something.

Danny C: Yeah. Yeah. So I must wonder, you know, assuming the story is factual, that she is relaying accurate information. I wonder if it was more of that perception of like seeing into a different era rather than physically being transported or slipping into it.

WDG: Right. Right. She didn't see dinosaurs. What she saw was a bunch of Mothman in a dinosaur. (Audience Laughing)

Baba: They have a very different sense of humor than a lot of us. And apparently a lot of funding.

Danny C: Pitching Mothman won those inflatable dinosaur costumes. (Audience Laughing)

Baba: I love those things. I love that they exist. And it's one of the few things I'm glad about living in this particular time for the return of T-Rex in inflatable form.

Danny C: Well, I was going to say sidestepping briefly. You have very trendy right now. The Tyrannosaurus Rex Christmas inflatable decorations. So you have an inflatable T-Rex. He's like, I'm no six feet tall or whatever. Has a Santa hat maybe, or scar balls holding a present.

Baba: Yeah. And if you time travel, you might know what's in that present. Yes. Unwrap it in advance and then take bets. Maybe not.

WDG: Can we get into like the, like, I guess was it like the block theory of time, right? So there's like, instead of time being like a river, time is like a landscape. And you can only perceive certain points usually. And like events are like coordinates in space time rather than like, you know, like is the past, it's the future. It's like, it's like a fixed thing. It's all sort of happening all over as opposed to like in one spot, you know, like all the time.

Baba: And already happened. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, because it's always- The block time universe would have to happen like that.

WDG: Right, it's simultaneous. Yeah, it's like simultaneous. It's very like, it's not, so there is no past, present or future. It's all just there and it's your perception of time. That's the past, you know, that perceives those things. But yeah.

Baba: But I guess- Which I mean, time is philosophically problematic.

WDG: Well, just the general measurement of time, I don't think is supposed to be like what we've, like I think of like kind of like, as far as like systems that go that are tools, right? Like, you know, you have a ruler, it measures distance, you know, whatever. Like, you know, we have like, the other things like, we define so much of our current reality on a tool. We don't go like, well, if you don't do three miles a day, I mean, I guess unless you're a runner, you know, like you haven't achieved anything. Like, you know, if like time is so tied into like some kind of weird like mental thing that we've done when it was really just like, we have to see like, you know, like now, you know, use it for navigation or, you know, use it for predicting like rituals or astronomy or, you know, but it wasn't like- And you- You know, it was supposed to be like a tool, like you measure it. You can't measure it without space.

Baba: Yeah. You can't, because time is the measure of change. It's so like, if nothing changes- Yeah, something moving through space. Yeah, and that's the thing. And so it's like, the two are inextricably linked as far as how we conceive of them philosophically, that like you can't have a sense of a time occurring wherein change does not happen. But how do you measure change without space, right? Right. And so it's this thing where it's kind of like, if you want to pull the rug out from your sense of reality, actually really dive into the study of trying to understand how we think about time. And it's incredibly weird. But when you get into this idea of, okay, so you've got this block time universe, but why don't we have the same epistemic access to things that occurred in the future that we do in the past? There's like this idea in physics of the direction of time, the arrow of time that is moving towards this thing we call the future and away from this thing called the past. But it's kind of like, now of course time slips. Yeah, well, and so it's like, yeah, it gets really weird. I'm gonna pause myself there before I go into like free will and stuff.

WDG: Yeah, I'll just say it too. Like, I'll say like, just like time is like weird in the sense of like, that I was trying to get to is like, you know, we don't have, for a lot of other just general tools that we created to like do stuff, it's like time becomes like a weird, like, it's like, you've wasted time, you know, you don't take the time. Like you're not being productive with your time. Like, it's like, like, there's this like, think of like this thing that exists as a object, but you don't go like, you haven't been product, you know, product, like don't have productivity with your inches or miles or something, you know, I mean, like we rarely get into like a weird, like, for us, like a measurement tool, it's like a become some kind of psychological kind of weird abstract, you know, idea as well, like that it has some kind of like, because it has, you know, definitive like things that we have to use it in certain ways, like as if it's like a potion or like, you know.

Baba: I think because it's, because unlike space, it's kind of out of our control. Like we can do things with stuff, right? Like if you've got a mountain in the way. You can blow it off. Destroy things, you know, that's what we do. What are you gonna do about time? And so if you just think about like the human condition is such that we are aware of the passage of time, we can talk about the passage of time. We have this thing, this idea of history, of things that happened before, and we can talk about them, but we don't know what's gonna happen next, you know, unless you've studied fortune telling. Or time slipped into the future. Or time slipped into the future. In old school days, you had this idea, okay, let's go to Rome, okay, so much of this is built on. So much of what we're in right now is from that world view. The Greek world view then rebranded and called Rome. And so you've got, sorry Romans, I'm not trying to shortchange it. But time slipped into the future and tell me what you think about it.

WDG: Yeah, come at me Caesar.

Baba: Let's see what Latin really sounded like. But so you've got this idea of Saturn. And Saturn, the symbol of Saturn is like a stylized, scythe, that which reaps, okay, so you've got the idea of the reaper, comes to this idea of like, well, at some point in time, all of us are being harvested, you know, lots of Christian symbolism in there too, but you know, well, whatever. Go wild in the comments. So we've got this idea though of like, Saturn's coming, time is coming for you and you don't know when it's gonna happen, you know, and so there's this idea of making the most of time and your time is ending, you know, and so how do you make the quote unquote most of it? How do you, what do you do with this uncertain amount of time that you have? That's I think where part of our obsession with it comes from like this idea that, and you know, combine that with the need to actually like earn a living, you know, and to do things that other people have forced you to do, because we have to march towards this progress that's coming, this future we're building that's gonna be better seemingly, but well, what if we just stopped doing that? Like what if we just enjoyed ourselves now? And that just seemed out of sync with this story we're being pushed towards, this progress we're marching towards and this great future that we have to work towards, but if you didn't, you just, you wouldn't work towards that progress. You just do the things that don't suck now, you know? Doesn't really seem like it's in step with like what we think of as society, you know, you put your roots on it and go to work and do these important things for progress, you know? Anyway, I'm done, someone take over.

Danny C: Bill, I think you said this and I definitely an interesting take and something I hadn't considered till we actually talked about this a little more is the idea that, you know, you're not really slipping through time, it's more about you're just experiencing something from another time, almost like a haunting or something like that. There were like a, imagine if a building itself could be haunted where the building could, you know, it's the ghost of a past building or something like that. Kind of an interesting concept, I think. And, you know, when you think about the, where we're all made of the same energy, kind of getting a little, you know, new agey, I guess here, but we're all made of the same energy. Why couldn't we see, you know, the ghost of a building from the past or something like that, or what a sign looked like back 30 years ago or something like that? That's kind of an interesting take, which I hadn't considered.

Baba: Yeah, do the conditions exist sometimes wherein you experience epistemic access to a thing that you shouldn't be able to access based on your, I mean, like when we talk about, the idea of past lives and things like that as well. There's always the problem of, okay, so you're experiencing something, and even if you could like prove that this person existed and they in this town and have all these facts that you just should not have, quote unquote, access to, but does it prove you were them or that you just somehow have access to that information? And that, I mean, it's a problematic distinction because it's like, well, how would you know officially that you were them and that you just don't have access to the same information that they had access to? But that's really a problem of our claims about knowledge, and that's where a lot of these things are gonna bump into increasingly going forward because what you'll find is a lot of these stories online. Okay, so you have the injection of what I'll call the credible witness, okay? So like people that aren't prone to what I'll call, because other people call it the woo woo. I like the woo woo. I like weird shit, you know? You can bleed that out if I was in this place to say that word. I like weird stuff, you know? And so it keeps things fun. But the idea of the police officers, farmers, hunters, and people that don't get extra points in the groups that they're in by telling stories about aliens, ghosts, Bigfoot, and the like, why are they telling these stories? It's one thing for me to go on the internet and be like, I had an encounter with a real, put in whatever your weird trend is. Blizzard person, time traveler, Zool, you know, whatever it is, there might be, like if I go on the internet, I might get reinforced for it because the internet is a thing that was invented to reinforce weird stories, right? And so, well, okay. So you can say, well, the only reason this person's doing it is because they just need a lot of attention. They need reinforcement for their weird stories. They don't have a life and so they're going online and doing this stuff. All right, okay. But like, what about people that don't get reinforced?

WDG: Yeah, if you're actually gonna get ousted by your social group.

Baba: Yeah, like you get thrown out of your, all your evangelical Bible groups because you're talking about weird stuff that you're not supposed to talk about or you're not supposed to believe in or whatever. Or yeah, like you're a cop and like, you used to be, you know, a hopper, you know, and now you're talking about weird stuff, you know? And so now you were a blue collar rural cop and now you're still that, but you're just kinda not cool among the other guys anymore, you know? Probably is most of the guys in the description.

WDG: It always prevents a thing that's interesting with the, with like, we're just talking about like, whether it's a credible witness or not, but something I always think about is like, if you were to have one of these types of experiences, like just say, like, and you actually believe that it happened, like, you know, like to you, like this is like, this is a credible experience. There is the whole thing of like, what is that? Like, is anyone even gonna really believe you? Like, is that the case? Is that, is it worse? You know, it's like, like maybe, you know, and I can also say like, maybe those things happen more often when people don't talk about these things, you know, because it does create a weird, you know, like, kind of stuff. There is some kind of like, seemingly with like, you know, like this kind of time slips, stuff like that, like exhaustion, you know, weird thing, like the stuff, there's lots of other conditions, which generally make you perceive time, like different anyway, like if you're having like a traumatic event or you're having, you know, it's like things change in your, in your like, time seems like it stretches on longer, you know, when you have like more of a fear-based thing versus, you know, it's shorter when you're relaxed and having fun or something, you know, it's like, so, yeah, but it is kind of weird, like that whole like idea of like, you know, is anyone gonna ever believe you anyway? And how would, how would you know? And maybe, maybe you are, you know, like, it must create a whole kind of different dynamic amongst the, like you said, the person that's not seeking attention for this kind of thing that seems to believe that they've had this experience. Like, it's like, because they must, because they wouldn't be going on about it probably if they, you know, so there's something reinforcing for it, you know, whether it's real or not, that's a different story, but like, you know, it's like--

Baba: And that's the thing, so, so an experience is an experience and a person can have an experience. Does that experience corresponds to an external, quote unquote, objective event that occurred? And then you're in freaking muddy waters, not the, not the-- Blues musician.

WDG: Muddy waters, like, "Bless me alone!" "Cher's your baby, by the way, with the garbage man." Yeah, right?

Danny C: See the Howlhounds episode for more talk on blues and muddy waters.

Baba: So, but what does it mean for an experience to be external? And so, okay, so let's look at hauntings for just a second. Because, okay, so there are two types of time slips. Let's say there are two types of time slips. I don't know that this is true. You guys can refute me, and certainly refute me in the comments. One type of time slip, you interact with people there. The other type of time slip, you don't. Okay, so we at least have one example of you don't, right? That's the dinosaur one we talked about earlier.

Danny C: Let me interrupt you for a second real quick. Another story I heard, okay? There was a group of people, they were kids, and they're telling the story as an adult. When they were kids, they were like going through an old wooded area, I think their house, their property backed up to woods or something like that. And they're walking through, and they come to this clearing, and they see this, I wanna say it's maybe an older house. I'm not gonna pretend what kind of house. An older house, and you see a woman there, and a child there, and the woman caused the child to get into the house. And the woman saw the people coming out of the forest. I think I forgot to mention that. Sees them, seemingly, tells the child to come into the house. The people are like, well, whatever. They end up walking back. A couple of days later, they go back to that same area. House is gone, pile of rubble, essentially, and all overgrown, and they think they had a time slip. And it's just interesting talking about interacting with them. Seemingly, the woman saw these people. So even though they didn't have a direct interaction per se, there's at least the interpretation that the woman had a visual interaction.

Baba: Yeah, yeah. So you've got, now, let's suppose there are time slips where people don't interact at all. Like, let's say the dinosaur one, okay? Now, they didn't get close enough to the dinosaurs to know whether the dinosaurs noticed them or not, but if it's like, so there are, let's say, there are two types of hauntings, at least, right? There are the kinds of hauntings where the quote unquote ghosts don't seem to be aware of you at all. There's just some scene playing. The recording. Yeah. And then there are ones that seem to be interactive. And so it's kind of like, when we're talking about time slips, okay, I have to throw out the obvious thing of like, okay, yes, it could all just be fake stories. Yeah, yeah, okay. But if these experiences are really happening, are they the same thing? And then I'm gonna throw another thing in here, this is what I do, this is why I'm here, is a guy in-- I'm not from Merky Waters, everybody. I emerged from the Merky Waters with stories about this time a guy from England, and of course, it's just London and Liverpool, that's all that's over there, right? So let's say he was in London. There's a dozen else there. (Laughing) Sorry, friends, let's be friends. Let's stay friends. So he's in his cellar or something, and I feel like there were like, maybe like some renovations or something going on. And in marches, or through the space, marches, but seems to be like a Roman, what's a group of Romans? Centurions? Oh yeah, or like a battalion, or something like a tribunal, no, that's like a judges or something. Anyway, the group of Romans marches through in armor with shields, round shields, and green whatevers. And they're kind of like halfway through, they're like waist height, it's like they're walking, it's just their waist, right? And so this guy sees these guys, and he's like, well, what the hell was this? And he reports this, and then so it turns out that there actually were some history of Roman... Legions. Legions, let's go with that, in this area. And so, but there are these historical inaccuracies, like the Romans had rectangular shields, not round shields, and they wore these colors and not those colors. But it turns out that they actually contracted, as modern militaries do, these private contractors, mercenaries, that would sometimes have these round shields and these green cloaks or whatever, which was not well known or established at the time, allegedly. And this area where he was, it used to be lower streets. So it would have been at the time, there would have been, it would have been at that height that they were coming through. Okay, so, I don't know what ever came of this story. I mean, how do you prove that, right? Or disprove it. But so what you have then is this thing of like, okay, is that a haunting or a time slip? Like, well, I guess if the Roman guys were coming through and they're like, whoa, what's going on here? And I'll excuse, then you might say, well, that might've been a time slip. Or

WDG: you just find the guy in his basement and he's like impaled, like, but there's no object. And it's like, oh, then they later on, it's like, he must've been run through by a sword. There's traces of like, you know, bronze on the sword.

Baba: You know, it's real interaction. This bronze goes back to, you know.

WDG: Yeah, there's like, you know, he got time slipped enough to get killed by like Roman.

Baba: Someone wrote on metal, you had it coming and throw it down on them, you know. But yeah, so it's a, do you have, like, do things that look like hauntings now, are they ever time slips from the past into the future? Right? And then there's the issue of the, what's sometimes referred to as the time traveling hipster. Have you guys heard of this one? Maybe not by that phrase, right? But there's this, it's a scene from like the 1930s, 1940s. And it's a bunch of people, it's like the opening of a bridge. There's all these guys in suits and things like that. And there's this like, bum looking, like a teenager. That's just kind of there with sunglasses on and like kind of like not, we've got a five o'clock shadow, kind of looking, speaking of bum, looking low like me, younger. And they're there in like a shirt that looks like it's a silk screen shirt and they look like they might have some kind of like a hoodie or something on. And like, they just look totally out of place. And people are like, this is proof. There's a time traveler. He's got this camera that wouldn't have been available yet. He's traveling and like, and seemingly like time travel is available for like very casual, on a very casual basis in the future, like it.

Danny C: So. I did see that photo. And I did research that several years ago, I think it was. And it seemingly was debunked. The camera was available at the time. Was available at the time. I think it was rare, I think, but it was available. I want to say something with the sunglasses as well. Like they were, they weren't very common, I think, but they were available.

Baba: They were more for like motorists and things like that than for people wandering around.

Danny C: Yeah, but, but, but now granted what I saw on the internet, which never lies, you know, I'm just, I'm just taking point blank what they said. It doesn't ring at all of conspiracy, just saying, you know, clearly truthful, it was debunked.

Baba: So, so yeah, so, so this time traveling guy, you know, and he winds up, so the time traveling hipster. And so like, you wind up with this, this kind of situation where it's like, it's the problem of proving stuff. The problem of proving stuff. And, and Dan, you mentioned, on the internet, therefore, you know, claims about truth, right? And so this is becoming more and more problematic because what I was finding as I was jumping down this, this time hole, this rabbit hole, this, this vortex, was the real problem of the problem of the debunk. Now look, if you guys have listened to this before, by the way, when I say guys, I just mean people, you know, like I might refer to it in, in his guys too, so.

Danny C: Whoa, whoa, whoa, what about like the Bigfoot's watching and the dogs that are listening, you don't want to exclude them.

Baba: No, no, no, those are people in the animist definition. Dogs are people, they're not humans, they're people because they have a sense of personhood. I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. Yeah, all right, the animist speaking here, all right.

WDG: We also have a board of directors of a certain tax code.

Baba: The problem of proof, the problem of knowledge, okay, so it is so much harder to swat down nonsense than it is for it to spread. And this is the problem of the conspiracy world. Like I joke about coverups and things all the time, but part of the problem is like, you don't know how deep the disinformation goes in either direction. Like whether it's a coverup or whether it's just the latest patch on a conspiracy theory. And we've seen lots of these in recent years. I'm not going to mention any because y'all are too militant.

Danny C: And we're talking about time slips.

Baba: And we're talking about time slips. But yeah, so you'll have this thing. So you guys, y'all may have encountered this notion of a person that walks across a Charlie Chaplin film carrying a cell phone. That is then claimed to not be a cell phone. I even just said claimed. That makes it sound like I don't believe it, right? The counter claim is that it's not a cell phone. It's some kind of hearing aid that would have been around at the time to which some of us say likely story. There's another image of a woman walking in, I'm gonna say it's 1940s, 1950s, carrying what appears to be a cell phone and chatting on it. And it's believed or claimed to be at the time something that was under development at the time, some kind of wireless device that was under development at the time and this woman was testing it. But based on the time that exists, the counter claim is that that shouldn't be true. Like it shouldn't be like you shouldn't have the battery power without someone walking behind you carrying a battery pack because of what would have been available at the time. And it kind of goes back to like the Bigfoot video of like, yeah, that kind of costumery should not have existed at that level of sophistication at the time. So then the disinformation debunker crowd might say, you know, no, no, it existed. It just wasn't publicly available because it was military technology. It was like the military Bigfoot suits, or like the military had this kind of technology. Well, sometimes they do. Like a lot of the stuff that winds up in public use was one time military technology that eventually got more profit by being spit into the consumer world. It's for all of us to buy it and spread cat stuff on it, whatever the technology is, you know? And so it gets harder and harder to prove this stuff though, because now you're getting to the point where you can just make this stuff. You could just AI it, you know? And then it's like, well, everyone can always say, it's just AI. Well, it's just getting harder and harder to have evidence for anything anymore. There is another one, another famous one that comes up online is a Mike Tyson fight that lasted something like 89 seconds or something. It's like a really short fight. It might have been his shortest fight. You can tell I'm really a boxing fan. I don't even know who it was fighting. And so, and there's somebody in the audience that seems to be recording it with a smartphone that would not have existed yet. I wish they didn't exist now, but wouldn't have existed yet. The counterclaim is, no, it's this other kind of technology that did actually exist. Therefore, you know, it's not a legitimate claim, not a legitimate explanation that there was a self in. So these kinds of things are going to get harder and harder to parse out because we just came through the sweet spot of evidence. And that's a real problem when the evidence is just that you saw something with your eyes and how do you prove it?

WDG: Yeah, I mean, that's the weird thing about like the, I guess like the, if there's a person in a photograph or, you know, like that stuff is like, you know, kind of like, you know, the time traveler gets caught into it, but it's weird because it's like, I guess like with like the time slip phenomena specifically, like you wouldn't be going there to like, you know, purposely attend a historical event. You just were like, you know, going into like, walking into the public library, like, you know, like the New York public library and like all of a sudden though, it's like, everyone's dressed weird and they're in old timey clothes and like, and I'm like, this is just, is it a weird day? And then I walk out and I come back in and then it's all the normal again, you know, it's like, like, that's more like, you know, so it's like, I wouldn't be like properly at a historical event, like at this thing where I could be photograph, like that's definitely more specific.

Danny C: Travel.

WDG: Yeah, it's not exactly, it's not the same kind of, you know, and that's like a whole different thing. So yeah, it is probably with the time slip, unless it just happens to be like you slipped into like a place where people are filming a lot of stuff, you know, accidentally, you know, like, and you just happened to be there, that would be kind of, it doesn't seem like that's the, it doesn't seem like that's how the phenomenon seems to work. It definitely that you're getting on more of like time traveler, like I'm purposely going to this place to witness this, you know, like basically I'm doing like a museum, you know, kind of tour of time. Like, it's like, I want to see, you know, the Wright brothers flight, like I'm there. And they like, hey, why don't you film this? And they give me a camera and I help out, you know, or whatever it's like, like, you know, they all were in this very bizarre, like, it's like the holodeck or something like that on starch, kind of version of time travel, you know, but the, it's something that I heard something like what you were saying, Chris, that I forget what the, I'm really trying to recall the term, and so now I'm probably need that time slip back to that coffee shop and get that good coffee. But the, it's something about like, like basically we're at like a weird, like informational AI event horizon, right? Like, like everything that happened before generative AI can now like, and then all the information that comes out after generative AI exists, right? You know, like, and it's like, well, now all of a sudden that kind of throws all information from starting in whatever, 2015 or something up to like, now into, you know, some kind of like, well, is this, could this be real? Could this be, you know, that's just like, it's an instant like question of reality, but that's a whole different, you know, but it's like getting into that like proof, it's like, yeah, you're probably not gonna find that kind of thing. You're either gonna be a person that something like this happens to and you believe it or you don't, you know, it's like, it's this, it's gonna be a kind of a, yeah.

Baba: Yeah, and I feel like, all right, so like, I've mentioned this before, an event occurred in recent history, maybe six years ago. It's 2026 at the time I'm speaking. Yeah, so that, you know, like everything shut down and then booted back up again, and like everybody booted back up in a different version of reality and nobody can agree on anything anymore. And it's similar to this AI world we're talking about and the problem with debunking things. And so it's like, I wonder if we're just entering into a world where you're either just one of these people that believes and talks about this weird stuff or you don't, like where is this divide going? How do we find the other weird people that have an open mind to this kind of stuff or believe this kind of stuff? It's just kind of interesting, because it's like, it's back to like the old man at the arrival of the ancient mariner and he's like telling this story and it's like, you know, or Garfield, do you believe this? Believe it, my friends. (Laughs) Do you believe this tale? Do you, like, is the teller convincing? Are the people that are listening to the story got to have the ability to listen, to observe micro expressions, to know whether you're credible or not? We're just entering into such a strange time. Maybe the stories are gonna get even weirder. But speaking of time slips, it's entering into strange times.

Danny C: Stories are gonna get incredibly short. And I think people just kind of make up their own endings. They're gonna be like, remember this one time and then the people listening will just zone out and they'll just make up the own story about how to do this. (Laughs)

Baba: Like the Mandela effect is just gonna be in real time. You know, like, it's just things are just gonna sketch all over. They're gonna think nothing's gonna be consistent at all going forward.

Danny C: So jumping back in time, figuratively and literally, I guess, at the beginning I talked about the Philadelphia Experiment. So let's touch on that very, very briefly. In other episodes that we did, I talked about how different events in history I find very fascinating. I talked about that Titanic was one of them. And I find the Philadelphia Experiment to be another one of these events that I find really, really interesting. So the story goes something like this. The USS something or another was outside of Philadelphia, I believe. And they were working with cloaking radar essentially. So almost like stealth technology. Using electromagnetism to basically bend radar as it comes in, kind of would like bend it around the ship so the ship would be not seen. And I've talked about, I don't know if I said this, this is like a battleship or something like that. A military water vessel. So they're working on this technology. Allegedly, something happens, the ship disappears. It appears up in New York. It disappears, it's there for a few seconds. It disappears. And then it reappears down near Maryland. And then it's there for a few seconds, disappears again. Returns back to its original place of origin. And again, I think that was in Philadelphia. And when it reappeared, people, some people were missing. I think some people were dead. Some people were welded into the ship. So half their body was in the side of the ship. The other half is hanging out or something like that. And of course, military, when you request records of this, it's like, that didn't happen. So that's kind of like the story and the mythology behind the Philadelphia experiment, which kind of touches on space. That's why I guess in the most literal sense, like a space travel, time kind of travel, kind of time slip and not really. So I just had to throw that out there. A little fun story that has mostly been debunked as well. But again, if you are into the conspiracy theories, you'll have a very strong opinion against how that has not been debunked.

Baba: Yeah, well, and actually, so it ties into like this idea around time travel, which is actually it comes up with the time slip thing with the Liverpool we're saying that that has that street. That's got the Bond Street. What was it?

Danny C: I must say brave, it's definitely not brave.

Baba: You must be brave to take that train. Bold Street, Bold Street. Bold Street, yeah. So underneath of there, there's allegedly like these magnetic fields that are being generated by some bit of technology, I forget.

WDG: And that is-- A secret technology or like a just like a thing that's just happening because--

Baba: You know, the details are a little scrambled from the mind erasing machine. But the, I'm not sure. I think it's like not secret technology. But it's just like something that's there or something. Yeah, that's generating these sort of electromagnetic field type things that might at some point cause this distortion in the space time continuum or whatever. Similar story that of, the Philadelphia experiment was dealing with magnetism and all that stuff allegedly, bending light waves and things. It actually comes back to why it's also stuff about like the difficulty to prove things. And actually help readily some people accept certain things as proof too. So bending light waves and things using magnetism. And then this story of this guy, John Titor. Have you guys heard of this one? Okay. The computer thing. Yeah, yeah. It's supposed to be a time traveler from the future. And the way he talks about his time travel machine is that it's basically these magnetic fields that are related to black holes and things that are, they found a way of creating these fields by basically as a result of achieving fusion. And so they figured out how to do it. And now you've got these devices and you can go back in time and about 60 years. I think that's what they said about 60 years is about the limit that they can accurately travel back in time. And he's back from the future to save the planet from a civil war and pandemic of mad cow disease. And he needs IBM,

WDG: 5100 or something to fix it. Yeah, like some really obscure IBM. Yeah, computer for some reason that needs a specific board set in there. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. You ever remember that?

Danny C: Is this a story that originated on, who is that guy from like the, from coast to coast?

Baba: Oh yeah, yeah. Was it, I can't remember if it was Art Bell? Yes, yes. Or if it was, okay. Cause I think I had two hosts. There was also George Norrie at one point, I believe.

Danny C: Yeah, I'm familiar with, whenever I hear coast to coast, I think of Art Bell. I've always heard of that.

WDG: I'm not familiar with this.

Baba: It's an amazing show.

Danny C: If this is the story that I'm thinking of, I believe he was in like a time traveling pickup truck, I think, kind of retrofitted. And so the one story, the one thing I heard that was interesting about this, and this raises an interesting point when you think about time travel in general. So if I were to time travel, say 10 seconds into the past, okay, the planet earth is not here. It's like, however many, 10s, 1000 miles away, if I were to time travel 10 seconds into the past, I would be in the middle of space somewhere. So it's, and I think in the story, if I remember right, the guy is talking about that. He's talking about the idea of you can't just time travel through time, you have to travel through space as well. Otherwise you're gonna end up somewhere you don't really wanna be.

WDG: Well, you said like inside of a, like fused into a ship or something. Exactly.

Baba: Right, and that was like when you were saying like the lady in the dinosaur vision, how did you not wind up in a tree? That was there, because there wouldn't have been a road or something yet. And so like, yes, that's interesting. So when you get into general relativity, Einstein's theory of relativity, there's this notion that time functions consistently within what Einstein referred to as an inertial frame. So if you can imagine, and it just gets really weird to describe this, sorry folks that are listening to this and not watching this, but so if you've got a train moving through space, so as that train moves through space, like all those people are moving in a certain line horizontally, right? Their heads are moving horizontally and things like that, as long as you're staying still. You're viewing it like Mario Brothers, the first one. (Laughing) You know, side scrolling here. Okay, so, but if I'm on that train and bouncing a basketball, in the train, the basketball is bouncing up and down. It's not like I bounced the ball and then the train moves and the ball flies to the other side of the thing.

WDG: It's just like the whole thing of like, you have a bunch of birds in an airplane and they were all flying, right? You know, like in the air, hovering or whatever.

Baba: Right, right, like, yeah.

WDG: Like, does it change the way of weight in the airplane? Not to mention they probably like lifted, you know, anyway, but it's like, but if you could theoretically keep them flying as the plane is flying, would the mass change or something like that? I'd be like this.

Baba: Well, and also like, would, like the birds would definitely reach the end of the plane or the train, whatever the hell a nurse or a friend like is. Because they're not moving relative to the earth, they're moving relative to the floor of the thing you're in. Right. You know, like when I'm driving my vehicle, I might be going 60 miles per hour relative to the road I'm on. I'm going zero miles per hour relative to the chair I'm sitting in. And that, so when you're talking about relativity, that's what the relativity is referring to. It's referring to this notion of it's relative to other things. And so if I'm in a vehicle going at a certain speed, okay, so the things within that inertial frame, they're sort of exempt from the rules of traveling through time or whatever, right? So I don't, if I travel to the future and I have an identical twin, biologically speaking, I will be younger than that twin when I get to that future point. And so like, so yeah, like this discussion of having to like basically keep your inertial frame sort of coordinated with another inertial frame, the earth for instance, or whatever, but yeah.

WDG: Could we just like, since we're just playing with like weird ideas, could we then say like, the time slips that are like buildings appearing in a certain way, like it also has to line up where like there's a certain type of alignment, you know, with like where the space would have to align, you know, it's like otherwise they'd be like glitched out.

Baba: Yeah, and that's where you're getting into the idea of, okay, so we'll talk about two different things once again, cause you know, I have to go in both directions. You've got the notion of a seance, okay. A seance you might try to recreate the circumstances of an event to produce a haunting. And you might do it in any, so the typical seance is we're all talking to things, we're gonna respond, blah, blah, blah, blah, we're gonna bring things to some of those people, we'll talk about them and stuff so we can, you know, like at the end of Beetlejuice, you know, and then if we have enough stuff, we can really bring them, okay. But then there's the idea of like, well, but what if you're trying to like trigger a haunting by being here at a certain time with certain circumstances and certain things and then the haunting occurs. Like there are enough similarities in this thing. So it's like, so I guess the thing is the question of whether a time slip or whatever is primarily an effect and experience in consciousness or is it a shifting of bodies of people and things through wormholes and things, you know.

WDG: Well, I guess if like time is just not like, yeah, if it's not a, like, yeah, cause I guess like then like that would just be like the whole like if time is just a perception and you shift your perception, then you're just shifting like, you're just seeing things that like in a different way, right, like, you know, versus movement through actual time in a coordinated thing would require like some kind of like more kind of calculations that have to find, you

Baba: know, physical stuff. And then depending on like your metaphysical model, cause you have to explain why consciousness should be able to do that. Right. So, well, you could wind up in philosophical idealism where actually like consciousness is all there is. And then, so at certain points in this consciousnesses can seem to be walking out of woods and seeing things that seems to have been happening 200 years ago. And that under certain circumstances that we don't understand these consciousnesses are interacting with each other across this block time universe that may or may not have any existence outside of the consciousnesses which perceive it. So yeah, you think it was getting weird?

Danny C: It's weird now. So going in a fun direction with that, if you talk about quantum entanglement, you know, where you have, and I don't know enough about it to talk intelligent, to speak intelligently about it. So I'm just gonna speak about it. But essentially, you know, you have one particle over here, you have another particle somewhere between, you know, right next to it and like 3 million light years away or something like that. You do something, the one particle, the particle in the other place does the exact same thing or reacts in a certain way or something like that. You know, you kind of think of it almost like that where, you know, you have certain things happen at one place, you know, and can affect things at other places. And if the right alignment that they can do, like interact with each other or something like that. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Or, or, or are we just on the matrix and at different points in time, different things around us get re-skinned, you know, like the …

WDG: Who knows? I mean, if you're just, if you're running on the simulation theory,

Baba: then. Well, it's kind of like almost back in Phil's half-call idealism. Yeah, yeah.

WDG: Yeah. Let's, let's, let's see if we get to wrap this up. So let's just like do a time, like, let's say time slips is just not to differentiate them from like a haunting thing that comes through. It's like, you're walking down the street, everything changes, you're in the past. Like, I'm just, you know, use the, you know, maybe the future, I don't know. It doesn't matter, but like, let's just say the past because that seems to be the most common thing. Like that's where we are at, like definition, definition. That's, that's not a word. So, right, okay. How do we wanna like, I don't know, talk about that, that kind of thing. Like, how are we gonna, you know, it's a.

Danny C: I think to be consistent with, to be consistent with other ratings, I think if it's something that's like on the terrifying end, I want nothing to do with it, that needs to be close to a five. And then if it's something like, that's really cool, or like, I'm not scared at all, closer to a one. I think that's enough to, I'm talking on the first, I guess.

Baba: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do it, Dan.

Danny C: I think the idea of a time slip is really, really cool. Hands down, I would be all about experiencing that. I would talk about it after the fact to anyone that would listen. So, I'm going to give this a lowly, like, if I could go lower than a one, I think it's just an awesome idea. However, that being said, I don't think there's, I don't think there's much to it. I think people are experiencing something, whether it's something physiological that happens in their brain, whether they're making it up and just trying to sell a book. I don't know, but I do think the concept is really, really, really cool concept. Yeah.

WDG: But also too, like, maybe there is something weird, like, in a sense too, that like, just bumping back if we want to get into like more like, you know, like, what could this be, like happening in your brain? You're talking about the electromagnetic things. That does mess your, kind of like screw with your brain a little bit, you know, and how you perceive things. I mean, we use that kind of, there's been more use of using like, magnetic therapy to cause deep changes, structural changes in the brain, especially where people have like, drug resistant depression or things of that nature, or post-traumatic stress disorder and stuff like that. So there is this, if we were just bumping up into these places and we're trying to have this kind of like, something going on there.

Danny C: But I think the challenge with that, I think that interesting idea, I think the challenge would be the, what is it, measuring Gauss, I think? The electromagneticism in general would have to be so strong. Right, right. And as the person walks around, it would have to be either wide, so it like covers a wide range, but then it affects multiple people in theory. Yeah, you think you do. Following them as they walk, which doesn't really seem likely either. So it's interesting idea, but if it is that, why wouldn't it affect more people at once seemingly? So they're like, we're not talking about. (Both Laughing)

Baba: People gotta think I'm crazy. So yeah. Well, there are many reported cases in history of, or at least several well-documented of these, of people hallucinating from non-hallucinogenic mushrooms. And it's not just suggestion. It's not just they thought they had another. It's unclear. Some things affect certain brains for some reasons we don't understand. Probably we don't really understand consciousness to begin with. Bill, you hit on something kind of interesting, is that like, you know, I was talking about it like it's two different explanations, right? Like it's either a consciousness effect, or it's a thing of physics, or it's a physical thing producing a brain state such that there's this consciousness effect, which may or may not transcend time and may or may not. Yeah, weird. I'm gonna talk about whether I think this is scary.

Danny C: Before I do that, I'm gonna say, once again, we solve nothing. Once again, we solve nothing.

WDG: Yay! That's the tagline underneath of our podcast title. Once again.

Baba: Yeah. I think it's in your shirt. And it doesn't even need to have our stuff on. I think it could apply to a lot of things. But yeah, so we've got, yeah, I think it could be scary. I think that the Japanese concept I mentioned is a little more scary. The idea of like accidentally walking into the spirit world is a little more scary. I think time glitches aren't scary if you know you're coming right back. But at the time, it's probably pretty unnerving and maybe scary. So I don't know, I guess, I'm gonna give this, I'm gonna give it a two because like, actually it could be really scary. Because you might not get back. So I'm gonna give it a two because actually, armed with the knowledge that I have, because actually not getting back could also be good. Especially if you go there with people you care about. But yeah, which might be another thing that we wanna weigh in on. Where would your time slips to if you could? I'd say the 70s, but if I got stuck there, I'd just wind up in this time again anyway. I'd just be old. Which might be better actually because a few years older than me actually has some good economic advantages. I'll come back to that. But anyway, I'm gonna give it a two. Bill, what do you think? Do you think it's scary?

WDG: Yeah, I think again, like you were saying, like I guess like context is really like key, I think. It doesn't seem like people get to, like you said, other than maybe like the casual glance or something, it doesn't seem like people get hurt from time slips. Like it's not like a time slipped and then I got run over by a horse and buggy or something. Because I literally like, or a time slipped out into traffic, you know, I was crossing the street and there was no traffic and then I time slipped and it's like, I don't know, the 50s and I just got run down by a Cadillac or something. Like it doesn't seem like that's usually how it happens. So it's like, so if there's no evident danger to me, I wouldn't, I would think it'd be disorienting. But like I'm kind of a grieving sedan, I think it might be kind of cool. I don't know how much I'd want to talk to other people about it in the same sense. Like, it'll just be one of those things. It's like, here he goes again, talking about that time. He ended up walking down the street, went into that old cafe and was drinking this really good coffee again.

Baba: It's like a weird version of like an old man's story.

Danny C: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

WDG: It's kind of like, I don't know what the story is yet. Here he goes again.

Baba: Things used to be so much better around here. Yeah, you were 27. Like it wasn't happening. (Laughing)

WDG: Back in my day, we time slipped all the time. (Laughing) But yeah, but if inherently it's not dangerous, I mean, it's not a fade dimensional thing, like you said, like our spirit realm of demons or something. Like, I feel like that's on a different level, but if it's just like, I'm walking down the street and all of a sudden there's like, I don't know, a bunch of colonial guys hanging out, they don't do anything to me, like decide to tar and feather me or something or get killed by it from being a witch or something. It's like, I think it would say, that would be kind of okay. I think I'd give it like a one. Yeah, so I think they, so a little unnerving, but not too bad. Yeah, tar and feathered socks. Yeah, that's real bad, you shouldn't do that.

Baba: I never really, like until like a couple of years ago, I never actually thought about how bad that is.

WDG: But it can kill you. It's like basically, if you don't die, you're gonna be scarred for life. Yeah, like, oh my God. Yeah, that wasn't a nice historical thing to do to people.

Baba: It sounds so harmless when you're hearing it and you're like seven, they're the first stories of the Revolutionary War.

WDG: Yeah, it was cool, we tarred and feathered these guys.

Baba: Yeah, it was like, oh, they just did it so everybody would know that they were bad. I weren't on our side. And it's like, yeah, no, they pretty much put them on death's door. Yeah, but yeah, so let's leave the viewers and listeners with some practical advice.

WDG: I've got some.

Baba: I've got some. I've got two little pieces for you. Okay, one of which is if you're gonna fake it, I actually, I encountered this advice online at some point and I couldn't find it again. They had some better tips. You slipped into a different time. They removed it, I guess, because it's already hard enough to find some stable ground here. If you're gonna fake it, apparently, going back to the time traveling hipster example, dressing way more casually than the people at the event that's likely to be photographed. Along with this, be an event that is likely to be photographed, like a historic event. So you'd be like faking it for other people in the future to find evidence.

WDG: There's this guy from the future.

Baba: It was a bum from that time. It was an unshaven college guy. I'm not saying you guys are bums, okay? It was an unshaven college guy from that time that people might otherwise label a bum on a podcast. And so-- In the past. In the past. And so you wanna be at an event that's likely to be photographed and you wanna be dressed way more casually than the people there, so you stand out. And also because, at least according to this online person, there's a trend towards more and more casual clothing as we go into the future. Therefore, you're gonna look more like you're from the future if you're in really casual clothing. And you probably also wanna go, maybe things that have already gone through a couple trend cycles, you know, might be good. But I think I'd be like the dude to show up with like total casual in like a bathrobe or something. But you then risk other people looking at you like, who's this guy? But that might actually make it more credible too because people in the future can just say, it's because he's clearly not from this time. We're in this time that we all wear robes like the dude. (Laughing) If you think you're likely to slip in time, if you think you're likely to have a time slip, I'd recommend your current currency is probably not gonna work very well. But the French suits on playing cards have been around for like a really long time.

WDG: So playing cards? (Laughing)

Baba: So you take cards back, you're already from the future. And you make some money in that currency telling the future, all right? So you need to learn a little bit about history of the area you're in. See, because you're probably not gonna wind up in some, it's gonna be like the local area. Know your local history. And then you can foretell things that are going to happen if you wind up back in that time and need to buy a coffee or, you know, in case you get stuck there. Maybe you should set ourselves free from this time we're in.

Danny C: Yeah, let's let everyone go slip into another podcast.

Baba: Yeah, all right, another one of our podcasts in fact.