Alien Disclosure Explained: What Happens If Governments Reveal the Truth?

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What would happen if governments around the world suddenly announced that extraterrestrial life was real? Would humanity unite under a common identity as Earthlings, or would society descend into confusion, conspiracy theories, and political turmoil? In this episode of Wondering Monsters Podcast, the hosts explore one of the most intriguing questions in modern paranormal culture: how would alien disclosure actually unfold, and what would happen afterward?

The Challenge of Revealing the Truth

At first glance, disclosure seems simple. A government official steps up to a microphone, confirms the existence of aliens, and the mystery is solved. However, the hosts quickly point out that reality would be far more complicated. Confirmation of extraterrestrial life would raise countless questions about decades of UFO sightings, alleged abductions, crop circles, cattle mutilations, and government secrecy.

If authorities admitted they had known about extraterrestrials for years, people would immediately wonder what else had been hidden. Trust in institutions could erode even further, creating a ripple effect across politics, science, religion, and culture. The disclosure itself might be less significant than the public reaction to the revelation.

Would Anyone Believe It?

One of the central themes of the discussion is the modern crisis of trust. Even if a massive alien spacecraft appeared over a major city and millions of people witnessed it, many individuals would still dismiss the event as artificial intelligence, advanced military technology, foreign propaganda, or digital manipulation.

The hosts argue that humanity now lives in a world where almost any image, video, or testimony can be challenged. Because deepfakes and AI-generated content have become increasingly sophisticated, proving something extraordinary may actually be harder than ever before.

This leads to an interesting paradox: alien disclosure may be impossible not because evidence doesn't exist, but because people no longer agree on what constitutes evidence.

The Political Fallout of First Contact

The conversation explores how governments might react if extraterrestrials became an undeniable reality. Would world leaders cooperate, or would they immediately begin accusing each other of hiding information and collaborating with alien forces?

The hosts speculate that nations could use disclosure as a political weapon. Rival countries might accuse one another of secret alliances with extraterrestrials, while governments could leverage fear of alien influence to justify increased surveillance, restrictions, or military actions.

Rather than uniting humanity, disclosure could potentially intensify existing conflicts. Every political faction would likely attempt to fit the new reality into its existing worldview, creating even more division.

Machine Aliens vs. Fey Aliens

A particularly fascinating portion of the discussion compares two very different models of alien encounters.

The first model involves what the hosts call "machine aliens"—beings that travel through space in advanced spacecraft. These extraterrestrials operate according to understandable scientific principles. They have technology, physical limitations, and a recognizable civilization behind them.

The second model is far stranger. These "fey aliens" resemble creatures from folklore, fairy tales, and paranormal traditions. Rather than arriving in conventional spacecraft, they appear in dreams, alter perceptions, blur reality, and behave more like supernatural entities than visitors from another planet.

The hosts suggest that the fey model may actually be more unsettling because it challenges humanity's understanding of reality itself. A physical spacecraft can be studied. A reality-bending entity that appears in dreams is far more difficult to comprehend.

How Advanced Would Aliens Be?

Another major question centers on the capabilities of an extraterrestrial civilization. Any species capable of interstellar travel would almost certainly possess technology far beyond human understanding.

The hosts discuss the possibility that the familiar "gray alien" might not even be a biological creature. Instead, it could function as a drone, avatar, or biological machine sent to interact with humans on behalf of a more advanced intelligence.

This raises deeper questions about alien motivations. What would such beings want from humanity? Would they view us as equals, research subjects, pets, or simply another life form among countless others in the universe?

The discussion repeatedly returns to a humbling possibility: humans may not be capable of understanding the intentions of a civilization thousands or even millions of years more advanced than our own.

The Utopian Scenario

Not all possibilities discussed are dystopian. The hosts also imagine a more optimistic version of disclosure. In this scenario, advanced extraterrestrials arrive peacefully and offer humanity technologies capable of eliminating scarcity, disease, and many of the problems that currently dominate society.

Such a future resembles classic science fiction visions like those found in optimistic space exploration stories. Humanity could potentially gain access to advanced energy systems, medical breakthroughs, and opportunities for unprecedented personal growth.

Yet even this hopeful outcome presents challenges. Existing political and economic systems might resist such radical changes. Those who benefit from current structures could perceive alien assistance as a threat rather than a gift.

The Human Problem

Throughout the episode, the hosts repeatedly arrive at the same conclusion: the greatest challenge may not be aliens at all. It may be humanity itself.

Whether discussing extraterrestrial visitors, fairy-like entities, government secrecy, or utopian futures, the conversation continually returns to human behavior. Fear, tribalism, power struggles, misinformation, and emotional reactions shape nearly every scenario.

The hosts argue that technological advancement alone does not guarantee wisdom. A civilization capable of reaching the stars may have first needed to solve many of the social and emotional problems that continue to divide humanity today.

Final Thoughts on Disclosure

In the end, the discussion concludes that there may be no perfect way to disclose the existence of extraterrestrials. Any announcement would immediately become entangled in politics, ideology, religion, media narratives, and competing interpretations.

Perhaps the only truly effective form of disclosure would be direct contact itself—an undeniable event witnessed by people around the world simultaneously. Even then, questions would remain.

What are these beings? Why are they here? What do they want? And perhaps most importantly, how will humanity respond?

This thought-provoking episode of Wondering Monsters Podcast explores these questions with humor, speculation, and a healthy dose of skepticism. Whether alien disclosure comes tomorrow or remains forever hypothetical, the conversation reveals as much about human nature as it does about the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

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Danny C: This'll be fun. So there's the movie "Disclosure Day" that's coming out at the time of this recording. It has not been released yet. So anything we talk about, if it's covered in the movie, we're not privy to that. So it just happens to be coincidence and miracle knowledge.

Baba: Mirror speculation. We got Blanket behind me from when it was a little colder here. It's not cold anymore. Gone. Gone.

Danny C: I thought this would be fun because, you know, at least when I think about, or previously, when I thought about alien disclosure, I thought about it being a very simple, you know, all you gotta do is you go to the microphone and you say, "Yeah guys, hey, aliens, it's real. Mic drop, walk away." But the more I thought about it, it's like, there are a lot of moving parts to this and a lot of potential fallout that could happen from this as well. And just a couple of things I thought of, you know, and take any scenario that you want, you know, let's pretend Roswell was real. And I'm not saying it was not or was either way. I'm just, you know, Roswell, you know, Rendlesham Forest, you know, any number of these events, okay? But they end up being real. And all of a sudden we have to address all the, the people that are doing the disclosing have to address all of this, you know, where it's cow mutilation perhaps, or abductions perhaps, or destruction of property with the crop circles like we talked about. And I also thought about it from a perspective of, you're probably gonna wanna tell the world all at the same time, how do you do that when half the world is asleep at any given time? So I thought it'd be really interesting to have a fun little conversation about if people, if one, if aliens do exist and we were going to disclose that, how would we do that effectively?

WDG: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there is a, it would be really funny if you were just, let me think of something that, it's like, what if like, they're like, "Yeah, aliens exist." But that other stuff you thought was aliens, actually we don't know what that is and that has nothing to do with it. (Audience Laughing) It's like these aliens are like, "Hey, that's not on." You know, we didn't do that. Like, we're just, you know, that would be, that would be like even more strange, you know, because like, it's like, I think we're looking for something to tie those things together, right? Like that's like, that would be the idea, right? But it's like, nope. All this other stuff is just like, just nonsense. But yeah, I don't know that there is an effective way, given the, not to go, any kind of political thing, but given the current state of affairs of our, at least our country, I think they do it really badly and eff it up somehow. Yeah. Pretty terrible. (Audience Applauding) It would just be like, they'd accidentally, like, you know, essentially like tweet it or something and then like the other people will be like, "Oh no, that's exactly how it should have happened." And they're like, "We did it perfect." You know, and while there's like rioting in the streets and stuff, you know, it would be, it would be something really, like it would be a cluster.

Baba: Let's talk about what would happen if they did just announce it. Yeah. You know, first of all, you can't believe anything coming from Washington anymore anyway.

Danny C: Chris, I don't know if you were gonna go here or not, but the one thought I had was like, people saying like, "No, like it's still not real." Like fully still just rejecting it.

Baba: Well, okay. So that, that's a thing, right? Okay, so here we go. Pretend for a minute that for like the last 10 years, people had been doing their very, very best in from official positions that used to actually support the official narrative. And they've been doing their very best to call all narratives into question, even if they're on, even if they're recorded. I can't even say videotape anymore, cause that's who does that. Even if they're recorded, also an antiquated term, but it still applies. Let's say somebody had been just saying that you can't believe any of this stuff. And let's say that everybody was like on their own little version of the truth. Just pretend that, imagine that if you can, that you could like talk to somebody in the Superbar and have completely different worldview, but you're still, yeah, okay. What would happen would be, you'd have a, let's say a spaceship, an extraterrestrial alien aircraft, lowers into Northern California, and it's indisputable, like this footage or witnesses everything, you know, documented from all different kinds of angles. It wouldn't matter, right? Because like people just wouldn't believe it. They'd say it was AI, they'd say it was the radical left, they'd say it was China. They'd say all kinds of things, right? Like, but the fake narratives would stand because like there's so much deniability anymore, cause you can always say it's something else. You can say it's, I mean, AI is gonna be the big cop out. And then it's like, but there might actually be an advantage to that by wrecking the narrative and not having people agree on it, you avoid the mass adoption of everybody thinking it's the case. And the fallout that could happen from that, right? Because what happens if I'm a hardcore Christian of a particular group, an apocalyptic Christian, and here it turns out, here they are, they're real. What's my reaction to that? You know, I mean, I'm picking a group that just came to mind, you know, but there might be any number of extremist groups that react weirdly to that, right? That decide whether the government doesn't really have authority anymore if there are all these space kings, you know? Look, it might be a stupid conclusion because just because there's disclosure doesn't mean that you don't have other people as they've been with the guns that they've always had, because it's not like all of a sudden, because there are aliens you can get away with whatever, but there are some people that are gonna like advance the plot in some direction or another, right? I'm gonna shut up cause this isn't even close to half baked. Why doesn't someone else talk?

WDG: I'm gonna see if I can get back better together. Maybe we can like narrow it in. So if we're talking about like disclosure, we're talking about something like the government or governments, like all the governments of the world or most of the like governments of the world like who needed to be privy to this are like know about it, right? They have to tell us for whatever reason because the aliens are being like, you better tell them. We're about to show up and know enough story. Yeah, yeah, or like, yeah, like they knew they were coming like maybe they never came here. Let's just say like all the phenomena and stuff have nothing to do with it, right? Yeah. But now we see them come in and it's like, but they can be fleshed it up as long as possible. And now it's like, I guess they would have to like do some kind of like prep to get all on the same page, but considering like nation states are really good at it's all getting on the same page. Okay, so you're doing what happened, right? So I don't feel like they're gonna do like a good job because we can't stop, you know, fighting wars amongst each other. It's like, so for various reasons, I don't know that we're gonna be able to really get on the same page.

Baba: Yeah, well, and that's the same. So let's say, yeah, so you'd have to have a bunch of governments agree to something. Right. Which is already like less likely than just the aliens just showing up on mass in every sky. So, and then you're gonna have to, okay, so let's say they agree to it. And then who's gonna claim actually, you know, it's actually just their weapons, you know, and you better play along.

WDG: Well, here's what they, if they would have like, that happens to be that it's like, I don't know, like to just say like, this scenario, the United States is the only one that was privy to it. Like they knew about it, right? No one else knew about it. And then they have to tell it, what's the likelihood that people would just like nuke us, like, you know, just because like, what else, another choice you have? Like, it's like, I don't know what they do. Why did they pick them? Like, what's the deal? You know, why didn't they tell us this whole time? Like, what have they been doing? Maybe we should just, you know, just, I mean, like, someone's gonna start probably shooting off missiles or something in like, you know, some kind of way because what would they think the outcome would be? You know, it's like, I mean, I feel like

Baba: there's-- I mean, someone would, someone would, someone would think that we're in league with the devil and they'd be right, but not for this reason. (Audience Laughing)

WDG: Yeah, that one's under the Pentagon, you know, but I kind of feel like there's like, someone would start something, like there would be like at least one. And then once that happened, everyone would start something, you know, it just, it just takes one, you know, just it only takes a spark, you know, to start a wildfire. Does the certainty that aliens exist, like completely just invalidate the whole idea of like, the, you know, nation state, then all of a sudden we're earthlings, right? Like, and they're aliens, right? It's like, so, and like, so what happens then? It's like, you know, I mean, like, it's like, it's just like, I mean, that's already a made up system anyway, you know?

Baba: Earth governments would take advantage of the fact that alien disclosure had been removed or revealed to start targeting the groups they wanted to target anyway and accuse them of being in collusion with enemy alien extraterrestrial forces. Even if there are good space aliens, they just use it. They take advantage, like they do with everything that ever gets removed. So unfortunately, I think that'd be the start of it. We'd have this, you know, you'd still no longer be able to sort out what was really a, okay, look, for the remainder of this podcast, when I say alien, you know, I mean space aliens, extraterrestrials. Yes. Okay. I'm not gonna keep using 15 words. Aliens, aliens, Martians, aliens, okay.

Danny C: No, I can't remember if you said this or not, but someone said about, you know, the words uniting as earthlings essentially, and my words disbanding of government kind of. And that made me think about the whole idea where you have people that they talk about like the new world order and one government kind of thing. And I almost wonder if that really is an agenda, you know, I feel like this narrative could push that and start to like put those wheels in motion, which would be kind of interesting.

Baba: Which would also cause people to disbelieve the actual narrative and think that this is actually just a story being cooked up to make the one world government together. You see, that's the thing like, you can't prove anything anymore. No, I mean, yeah.

Danny C: I guess sort of actually like seeing one of these things and having like a CE5 or something like that or whatever.

Baba: Yeah, and then, okay, so you believe it. Good for you. There are billions of us allegedly. There are billions of us. Yeah, yeah. We can't even get on the same story about, you'll see things. Yeah, yeah. It's so frustrating talking about it from the time in history that we are. We might wanna roll that.

WDG: May 26th. There was something, yeah, Dan. Just like that, that's how they walk. That's how they walk. So maybe we just like, I was thinking like something too like, let's just say we like accept that it's real somehow, collectively. Like, I mean--

Baba: Like there are enough events that people are communicating on cell phones and doing their own thing that people are like, this is real. I don't care what the government says, it's real.

WDG: Yeah, I mean, there's, I think, I've probably said it was like, it was like Neil DeGrasse, I said it like Stephen Hawking or somebody saying like, if aliens did come down, like a race that would have to achieve the level of things to be interstellar kind of creature, we would basically be like ant level. Like we would think of them as we think of other, lower animals. Like if we're lucky, maybe they think of us like we think of dogs or cats or something and not insects or something. Those lines. Right. It probably wouldn't have been good things for us necessarily. In general, so I mean, like, so I think the reaction would probably have to be some kind of chaos, right? It would have to be because like, what is that? Then there wouldn't be anything similar to us. They wouldn't be like us, it would be something different.

Baba: Which also means that we can't project and say that they would have like hostile intentions. Yeah, they might just not care. Because like, what the hell do we know?

WDG: Yeah, if you have hostile intentions to a beehive, it's like, yeah,

Baba: it's-- If you could just on instant create any feeling you wanted, like what would that do to your motives all of a sudden? Well, and that's not even inconceivable. You know, I mean, that's something we can't even conceive of. Now think of things we can't even conceive of, like tens of thousands of years of scientific exploration beyond where we are. We don't know anything about intentions of something that has that type of experience. That's part of the problem. I mean, there are so many parts to this problem, but like, we just don't know. Let's back up for a second. Did you guys see the trailer for this question?

Danny C: I know the name of the film and I know Spielberg and that is literally all I know about it.

Baba: See, as usual, I've done the scholarly level research. (Laughing) I'm about to tell you all. I'm barely being able to-- That is a couple minutes long. (Laughing) There's some interesting things in it because it... Now, you never know from a trailer about the movie. I will invite people to see actually the original trailers released for Fight Club and then watch the movie of Fight Club. That was well played and to the point that I had no interest in seeing Fight Club until many years later, you know. And then we've all seen movies that like, that looks really funny, but then like, you see every funny part, like every funny part that was in the movie was in the trailer and the rest of it was just phoned in. This movie looks pretty good. And one of the things that's kind of cool is like, when they're representing like the alien encounters, there are weird things that like stand out like this girl is being visited by these aliens and there's like a moose in her room, like a bedroom, a room with a moose, a room with a... I tried to rhyme it, I can't make it sound like Vue.

WDG: Just to give the aliens as like invaders in the reference. No one's watching invaders in, I recommend that. That would be a weird thing to not have to fuck with.

Baba: There you go. This show not sponsored by invaders in, but it could be sponsored by you all. If you want to join our Patreon. Yeah, maybe by the time this shows, not likely. Yeah. But like, why would there be a moose, right? In an other than alien way. It plays to that fey encounter, weird dreamlike thing that doesn't really touch down to quote unquote real reality. It's like some kind of unreality kind of space happening. Going back to like talking about our very patchwork conversation about Magonia and just to think about like airships and it's like, oh, it's a boat in the sky. It doesn't make sense. It wouldn't have even made sense to the people of the time, but they know what boats are. It's kind of this thing where it's like, well, that doesn't even make sense. Like it's something that's unbelievable in its own way. Like a moose in your bedroom. But you know what a moose is. I'm interested in seeing how these encounters are handled. Are they more of the ghosty type or are they more of the space shuttle? Flying saucer, science based spacecraft made of physical things that really existed before it showed up.

WDG: Well, maybe like, maybe that's a, that would be a fun way to like play with this idea. It's like, yeah, like what's the, okay. What are the implications of the flying saucer aliens versus the implications of the weird, like the fairy world aliens? Like, you know, it's like, like that don't make any sense at all.

Baba: Which runs scarier too. Yeah. We'll get to that when we pull out the monsters, I guess. But the implications I would say of the, I'm going to call them the machine aliens, okay. They're the ones that are flying in a machine from somewhere. They probably have better science basics.

WDG: Yeah. Like normal aliens. Yeah. So normal aliens.

Baba: And then we could call the other ones like the fey aliens or the magic aliens. I think we'll call them the fey ones. The machine aliens, part of the limits are that they at least have some limits to how they can show up. We might not know what those are. Like we don't necessarily have the ability to predict whose crop circle they're gonna, whose preexisting crop circle they've brought. They showed up in a machine and then the machine kind of leaves. They shouldn't be able to do things like show up in dreams and stuff as a, right. Like, I mean, it would be like, they'd be in physical space somewhere. There'd be, what else? What am I missing here?

WDG: What are they looking at? They could be like, I guess they could either be like, let's just say they're some kind of element, you know, based life form that has a life, like a span, even if it's like, they figured out how to prolong it, right?

Baba: Like they, they might have come from a civilization.

WDG: Yeah. Like body modification or something, their evolution or something like that, like technological evolution, right? Or they could be like artificial intelligence, right? You know, like, you know, it's out and say, it's just, you know, it's like, like, you know, because it's like they would have to deal with, you know, the same kind of physical limitations of time and things like they could travel for like very long periods of time without food and, you know, or assuming like evenly, you know, altered form aliens would still need to like, or evolved aliens would still need to like have something, right? Some kind of level of whatever sustenance they are based on like what kind of, you know, I think, and if they're coming here, like they would probably have to have some kind of adaptation, right? To like the like environment here, right? Whether that's, it's similar to their environment, then they're also like a carbon based, you know, kind of thing like we are, or they're something else, but they have altered themselves to somehow to adapt to it. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's how it's like, that would be.

Baba: Yeah, like I feel like I've talked, I've heard some people talk about the notion of like, what if the alien gray isn't a creature? What if it's like, I'll put my own words on it, but I got this idea from somebody else. If you know who it is, you know where to put it in the comments, put it in the comments. But the idea that the alien gray is actually more like a, like a drone. Like it's like, well, we got to send something down there to interact, so we're going to send these drone type things, but the actual being is like something else, you know, playing call of duty 27 million, you know, and it probably gets good to earth or whatever.

Danny C: But yeah. I've heard that before as well. And I feel what they call it. So if you, if you believe the different information that is allegedly leaked out, I can't remember what they called it, what they call it, B E's, I think biological entities, I think is what it is.

Baba: Okay.

Danny C: And they'll refer to the gray as being one of those. So it's, I've heard both sides of that where it's like, no, again, if you choose to believe it, no, there is a, they are biological, but then there's also the argument where like you're saying, if it's some kind of electronic thing, then it can withstand unnatural G forces and stuff like that.

WDG: It was like some kind of bio computer robot kind of deal, you know, like essentially like, you know, Yeah. Right? Yeah. Well, there's also a way to think too, it's like, what, maybe this is like, this is going to get, try to keep it like, you know, funny kind of way. But like, what would they want anyway? I like could be, because look at, I don't know, no better yet, how would we try to interpret what we think they want when we, a lot of times personally, and definitely as a species, don't know what the hell we even want. It's like, it's like what our end goals are or what our, like, you like to say, we don't really understand, we don't even understand our own culture and civilization and why we're doing the things we're doing half the time. How would we take that understanding and then put that onto some other indescribable entity?

Danny C: It's so obvious, it's so obvious. I know exactly what they want. We all know what they want. They're here to hurt us, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're hurting us. Everybody is out to get us.

WDG: Oh, they want money, right? It's like, I guess, I'm out for something. They're really interested in fiat currency in the form of stock trading and IPOs, you know. (Laughs)

Baba: You all are clearly distracted by the matrix. I understand this. They're here for white girls. And that's when people are going to take up arms against them. They'll have no problem until you tell them that.

Danny C: I was talking to Lauren this morning about, and I came up with what we were talking about, and we were talking about the idea of the argument of it's for the kids. If you want to win any argument, it's, you know, oh, we got to protect the kids. So I thought that was the direction we're going to go in. You're going to say like, they're after the kids. So obviously that'll rally everyone up and we'll fight back to protect the kids.

WDG: It didn't really work against the Pied Piper, so we're still there. (Laughs) Yeah.

Baba: And it's certainly the easiest way to violate civil liberties is to claim that whatever you're doing is for the kids and anyone that questions it must be clearly part of.

Danny C: So one thought I had, going back to you talking about, you know, if they perceive us as like not being quite like bugs or ants, but like maybe on the level of dogs, for instance. And I had this thought, you know, if dogs were more like humans, if we could actually interact with them and they could actually like help us do things in a more efficient way, I mean, they can already help us out to some extent, you know, they can let us know if someone's going to have a seizure, or, you know, find explosives or fetch the newspaper, kind of, when

WDG: they exist. Or get up on your counter and lick your sandwich after it's amazing.

Danny C: Yeah, it spills up on all the floor, they clean it up, you know? But if you could actually train a dog to do more things, like, I think there'd be something to that. And I think if, you know, that could be one thing that if aliens did exist and, you know, disclosure did happen, there could be this, we're not so much that they view us as being these very, very low level creatures, but it could be like, well, you know, they could do something, they could be our pets. We could have them do like XYZ, we might not tell them they're our pets, and maybe this is only the case. You know, we're not going to tell them they're our pets, but they kind of already are.

WDG: Well, I guess it's like you're getting into like the zoo, it's like the zoo theory, right? Like we're just like, we're more of like a space alien exhibit, but then it's like, I would hope they wouldn't let us know that they're there because that would just mess up the exhibit, wouldn't it? Or more so. Unless like, unless that's why they're saying they're there because we have to intervene to clean the exhibit up, you know, it's like clean house.

Danny C: One of the thought I had too, so much now, not so much as what would they want from us, but what would we want from them? And I can see the world, humanity, having like this very entitlement attitude where it's like, why can't you give us this technology? Why can't you do this? Like, why do you, why can't we have it? I can see like that kind of thing happening as well on some level too, which would be very interesting.

WDG: I think the things we would end up wanting are all the same, stupid same things we keep pursuing that are not getting us as a species really anywhere. You know, we're like, I want more power and more stuff. Like, and it's like, okay, sure, I guess.

Danny C: Yes, as soon as we find a way to monetize it, yes, you can have that, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once we have a sound business plan, yes, you can have that. That is fine.

Baba: Yeah, exactly, yeah, here we go. Going back to like the problems this would cause for the government, is that like one of the things about like living in a nation state is that like there's no other authority you can go to. Like in this place, what was the highest? Like the Supreme court and you can't go there. You probably can't get there. There's no one to appeal to if people like make decisions about you, you know, and your life and what you're led to do with it and stuff. That's like one of the big assumptions that you kind of have to obey the government, because there's no one else you can go to. You can't go to dad's dad, right? You can't go to grandpop and tell grandpop to tell dad to let you, I don't know, stick a fork in an outlet. I don't know.

Danny C: I was gonna go to the ice cream for dinner, but I mean, that works too.

Baba: Can I stick this in the outlet? The aliens are coming. Yeah, so there's no one else you can go to, but then as soon as there is somebody else you can go to. Like you'd have the illegalization of these like the CE5 things, you wouldn't be able to try to summon aliens. You wouldn't be allowed to. So I think that would be like some of the first stuff to come down, because it's kind of like the problem of witchcraft. If I could go to my neighbor or the begonians, right? If I can go to my neighbor and say, you better pay me $300, I'm cheap, in unmarked non-sequential bills, I need a gallon of gas. (Audience Laughing)

WDG: He's gonna have to go, and I think it's gonna happen. Four meters.

Baba: With a cosider, I could get a half gallon.

Danny C: About two meters.

Baba: So, let's go with that. Oh yeah, and I'll tell the aliens not to trash here. I'll tell the begonians not to trash your crops. And then the bishop has to come and be like, get those people out of the cage, stop messing around, stop talking about being tempestari, or knowing the tempestari. You know, they gotta clean everything up. All these other people claiming authority. So there'd be rules against that, because you're not allowed to claim authority. It's like, you're not allowed to say, I'm a witch, if you don't pay me money, your store's gonna burn down, or your kid'll be bored with a club foot or something. You know, it's like, I'll curse you. I'll, you know, something bad will happen. You have all kinds of people doing that, and some of them with some level of credibility. Because think about the people that claim it now, and they don't have any credibility. I don't know, maybe they do. They don't seem to from a distance. You have all kinds of problems. You'd have authority problems. Which is maybe why disclosure hasn't happened. I'm running out of runway here, people. Maybe because you don't need it anymore. Take cover whenever I seem to falter, which is as soon as I start speaking. (Laughing) I can get in touch with them. And if you want me to get in touch with them on your behalf, the pie is bitter. Just start sending money. And if you, you'll know, I'll get in touch with you. Don't call me, I'll call you.

WDG: What if the government, like let's just say they all can kind of generally get together, right? Like they have a meeting, they decide it's now time to tell people. Like they, they're taking that off the table. Let's start like a nuclear war, you know, with other nations immediately. Like let's just say like-- For no good reason. Yeah, they all figured out, they all told us, but the aliens don't like show up. Like we just still have the regular things. What is that? Like me, that, like it's like, like what if it's just like, you know, like we don't actually see anything other than we've seen before or people have seen before. Like that may or may not be real. That might just be, you know, whatever, weather balloons or an airplane and, you know, it's like experimental aircraft, whatever it is. Like stuff, like the normal things, nothing else changes, but they just tell everyone. It's just finally time to tell you all, yet we all have known that there's aliens for a long time. It's like, and this is what's, this is the new reality. It's like, it's time for--

Baba: Without evidence, no one would believe it. Because we saw what happened just a few years ago.

WDG: Yeah, but just in the sense of like, but all of the different world leaders all get together. They all finally agree on something. Like I'm just, you know, we're playing in fantasy world. So I'm just like, so give me like, I'm just trying to take a few factors off the table. Like what does that mean? It happened to people still riot and go crazy. Or do they just go like, okay, like--

Danny C: I think so. And I think that's probably the most effective way for a disclosure. I think it's kind of like, listen, everyone, there is something, we don't know what it is. It is not our military, our fellow countries. It's not their military either. It's something otherworldly. There's no big deal. If they were gonna kill us, they would have done it by now. Everything's fine. You see everyone just being like, all right, well, that was--

WDG: Or like, what if they were like, well, we've talked to them, but like, you know, but you're not going to, and you're not gonna see anything different. Nothing's really gonna change. Like, I don't know. It'd be like, I kind of, it was like, but hey, aliens do exist. But those inductions and stuff, that was something different. Like that's not to do with-- Yeah, yeah.

Danny C: And like I said, being very anticlimactic if you were just being like, all right, okay, yeah, they made it, yeah, all right.

WDG: Well, I mean, when we feel like in about like how we do, especially like in this country about things like, like foreign wars and stuff like that, like we, like there's real bad things happening to people, like on a daily basis. And it's just like, but then you just kind of see like news clips of it. And you're like, well, what do I do with this? Like, I can't solve this. This is like a problem, like that I didn't start and I don't necessarily want to be happening, but-- Like how long he would have battled he wore off. Yeah, like he'd be like, yeah. And then like, maybe like there'd be like new religions that would start or like, or more people would end up going to like daily conferences or maybe more people would be open. Like if they were like, yeah, I got abducted or whatever. Yeah. You know, it's like, it wouldn't be like that. Like with that start happening or more people would start questioning like, oh, I had this dream one night, but maybe it wasn't a dream. Maybe it was actually this alien that, you know, it's like--

Danny C: That would be the next big thing on like TikTok, Instagram, whatever. All these people would be just talking about these stories they had and making them up or otherwise, or that'd be the next big way.

WDG: Better help would start offering services for people who think they've had alien encounters. Like, you'd be like, oh, it's like, maybe you don't have a severe depression. You just got alien encounters, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, there's a--

Baba: Yeah, I mean, you have all kinds of things crop up industry wise. I keep trying not to reference like recent historical stuff because we're all sick of it all, but you know, I mean, like-- Yeah, this is supposed to be interesting. When the narrative fails, everybody runs to set up a gift shop and they implore you to come and watch their true broadcast and exit through the gift shop. This is our gift shop on your way out of-- This is our gift shop still being constructed at time of recording. The whole thing would tumble down because authority. Okay, so government has a monopoly on violence. Like no one else is allowed to do it. In fact, that might be one of the ways he defines something as a government. (Audience Laughing) If it claims to have a monopoly on violence, it actually seems to, it's probably a government.

Danny C: Along with fiscal irresponsibility, wait, what?

Baba: Yeah, I just really think if disclosure were to happen, okay, here's the thing that would immediately happen because it's already happened in small ways anyway. It would be, this just proves the government was lying to us about something this big, therefore it was lying to us about everything I said it was lying to us about. Please exit through the gift shop. (Audience Laughing) Anything. (Audience Applauding) Just merely subscribe. We don't even know what we'd sell.

Danny C: Okay, so let's take this in a slightly different direction. If the government weren't going to do this, how would they do it and also save face? How would that happen? It isn't even possible.

Baba: No, no, because first it has to claim it knew about it but lied to us. No, actually I already know how they do it. It knew about but lied to us. It didn't know about it and just found out. And neither of those look good, right? But if you say, actually we've been trying to reveal it all along but because of the Biden administration or pick whoever you're going to call, whoever you're gonna blame everything on, Reagan. Reagan, that's what I'd pick. That's what they do. They blame the previous administration or they'd say, we're now a new party that's never existed before. The disclosure party and all these other parties kept us from doing it before but we knew all along. I don't know, apparently I don't have a job as a spin doctor but this sounds better than some of the stuff they've been coming up with. So I don't know, maybe I do.

WDG: There'd definitely be a rise in alien related Bitcoin this that are worthless.

Baba: Yeah, alien religion.

Danny C: Now's your time.

Baba: If you've got a good alien religion that hasn't really Taken off. I don't see how they could do.

WDG: Scientology would be like, we're right the whole time. Our alien religion was right the whole time.

Baba: I mean, Scientology has been weirdly involved in the space program. I mean, here we go. Just cause things that don't officially belong have to be added in so you know that this is actually, it's us. AI would never be this sloppy. So Jack Parsons invented solid state fuel that allowed us to help me out. Get out of orbit. The soundbar of escape velocity. Thank you, thank you, chief escape velocity. So we needed solid state fuel. JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory is the one that created it. Jack Parsons, a disciple of Alistair Crowley's and a member of the religion of Thelema and a weird friend of L. Ron Hubbard. Oh no. Who started Scientology. And a lot of those people are actually involved in like the like SRI and the psychic spying and warfare stuff. Like L. Ron Hubbard's involved in a lot of weird stuff.

WDG: You just get invited to weird parties. I kind of imagine these weird 1950s parties and everyone's just kind of semi wasted, but they're all invited to, they're hanging out in the same areas. That's what, like is L. Ron Hubbard just like a hanger or weird party?

Baba: I think he's a CIA guy. I think a lot of these people are actually just like CIA people that are like in the scene because they're, because the CIA is up to weird stuff than we think they are. I conclude that these are really ghost things. They're not really machine things, but you know that.

WDG: Okay, let's take the machine thing off there. Now it's like, but it turns out it is like weird like fairy stuff and everyone starts having a weird, like all of a sudden like more people start seeing like freaking leprechauns or like, you know, will-o-wisps and like all that kind of stuff. If it just starts ramping up like to a crazy degree, then what happens then?

Baba: The world gets awesome. People hear about our podcast. People hear about us. They heard about us now.

WDG: My friend, it's like, like the spaceships don't come out of the sky. They start coming out of the oceans and like volcanoes and stuff. And like, it's all kind of wacky. Like it's like unicorns and stuff.

Baba: I would be in my world. I've been, I've heard. You'd be like, "Oh, that dumb stuff he's been talking about for years."

Danny C: I have dibs on goblins be gone, LLC. You have a goblin problem. Once all that happens, that's what I'm doing. I'm finally getting my job with the boogeyman.

WDG: I'm just gonna join the goblins. Like, I mean, I'm gonna-

Baba: Goblin be gone, insurance? Yeah. Hey, does that want to sign up? I think the fae version of them would be way more problematic for governments actually. I think they would lean on the science explanation because people would assume they don't have the technology to get in touch with them. They'd assume they still have to go through the government. I think the story that governments would give is that actually these beings are much like us and you're gonna have to go through us if you want to talk to them. And you need to rely on us and do all the things we said you have to do because we're protecting you from them. It's a familiar story, right? It's just the them is different. Who are they?

WDG: The us versus them is a pretty convenient way of going about things, I guess.

Baba: Aliens might be hard to predict. People generally aren't. They tend to lack imagination. We need a more upbeat angle on this. Yeah, yeah, this is, yeah.

Danny C: So let's go utopian, okay?

WDG: All right, like Vulcans coming and being like, we have the tech and we'll help you in a limited sort of way.

Danny C: We want to advance your civilization so you can be more like us, even though it's gonna take some time. We are going to help you out and this, that and the other. And all of a sudden we can all be flying around and living thousands of years and we don't need food anymore and whatever. Yeah, these are my guys. Because obviously they can do all that, right? Because they're here.

WDG: Yeah. So like, we're assuming they're altruistic, but wouldn't they also, like, there probably would be some kind of like, right, there has to be like a values clash, right? (Laughs) Like, it's like, we don't like, we're kind of like in a, like, just speaking of culturally, and like our government, we're in a fairly anti-empathy kind of vibe, especially right now. (Laughs) Well, I think-- You know, like with the aliens, I don't know that the aliens being like, we have all this stuff to make life better would be like, would that get rid of that? Like, we, but I want to be in charge and I want to hurt people. (Laughs) And I want to see people suffer. Like, we, like, there's a lot of people who have the choices that they can make that, and the capabilities of making those choices, like, and the money and power to make those choices, like, to do good things, and they actually actively choose not to do those things.

Danny C: I think that the vast majority of people, it's all the marketing, it all comes down to marketing. If they have like a good chief marketing officer, you know, we're in good shape. But it all boils down to, you know, if someone approached you, take an aliens off the table for a second, okay? If someone approached you and said, "Listen, I am going to make sure all of your needs are met. "If you want to advance yourself, "learn more, better yourself you can. "If you're interested, like, this is how we can do it. "You're just gonna have to do stuff. "You know, this isn't a handout, "but it's, you're going to get more free time, okay? "And all of your needs are going to get met, "would you be interested?" And I'd like to think most people would be. I know I would be, and someone said to me, you know, "Listen, put in a certain amount of numbers of work per day, "whether it's better yourself or whatever, "and we're going to make sure all of your needs are met. "And then if you want to spend the rest of your time "playing video games, watching movies, "going to plays, eating food, being with your family, "you know, doing whatever you want, you can do that." And I think most people would be, they'd be receptive to that. I said most people, they just, they've really at the end of the day, they just want to have a good time. Everyone wants to be happy, you know? And I think, I think most people would want

WDG: to do that. But I think like, again, like the people who are effectively like in charge right now, they're not really driven by those, like, you know, living simply and making people happy. Like, you know, and even they're not even driven, like, because they could, like, a lot of them could achieve those things, right? So why is it that they kind of don't, you know? And why do they like, you know, like, it starts getting into like, there's got to be like kind of cultural, like, there's a, because it's like, in that sense, it's like, like say like, because there's like always this like, idea of like, they go on a little Star Trek thing, because it's like, that's be the altruistic, right? Like the future where we're all bettering ourselves, right? Like humanity has passed that. You have to kind of get past like the, you know, those, the types of like, like all the systems would be completely different. Like capital doesn't exist of like, we're not going to be token based, it's going to be social capital, right? It's like, you're going to like do things because you want to do things to like better society or to create something cool or do something, or, you know, whether that's like, it can be something like self-expression through like arts. It can be something like, you know, like still engineering and inventing things or doing that. You know, it's like, you're going to do stuff because it's like, you know, you're going to want to be like the only capital that's worth anything anymore is social capital. It's like what you're doing. And you'd have more choices because you'd be able to do any of those things or none of those things. But if you do none of those things, you don't have the social capital. And it's like, that's very different than the system right now, which is, you know, hopefully be born in a certain class of system. And this isn't just in a very like in other places and be able to use and leverage that part of the system to further your like reach and possibly expand your tokens to an infinite amount, you know, it's like, so then you can achieve what it is. I think it would just like, you just start bumping into like, there's still be people that would freak out, but there's the other people that would freak out because I think what you're saying, Dan is like, kind of like, yeah, that is what most people want. At the end of the day, that's actually what we like without aliens. That's kind of what most people want to do. But people in charge don't want that. And that's like, so they would probably like, it's kind of like the aliens come there like, I bring you peace and they're going to be like, I have peace.

Baba: The problem's a problem of story. Yes. You know, because it's like, I mean, even like everybody thinks, okay, here we are, 2026. And everybody thinks that like, through all of human history, people were just working jobs. And like, actually, that's not actually true. No, like this is like a little more than 150 years old, 1850 was the industrial revolution in the States, right? So like, before that, it was kind of like, it's not like you didn't work, it's that you didn't just go and get a job. Like, your father was a farmer, you were a farmer. If you were a man, this is 1850. You know, and you do the same thing. Your dad's a cobbler, you're a cobbler. See previous disclaimer. You know, I mean, it's, it just was that way, you know? And then it was like, you lived with your family and probably multi-generational in one place. Like it wasn't necessarily, you know, but this idea that like, you got old enough to read or you should be able to read. They send you through this education system for the next 12 to 16 years. And then when you pop out, you go and you do this stuff so that you can buy all these things so you don't suck quite as much. Because you've been told your entire life, you suck. Your teeth aren't white enough, you're not tall enough. You're not thin enough or too thin. Or your car isn't right, just isn't. It doesn't matter what it is, it's not right. You suck. And then you go and you taste another one. And, but the thing is like, it's a story problem. Because there are people out there, like I'm not a billionaire. I know I look like one. Personal hygiene in particular. But, there are billionaires out there and they can get all this stuff for themselves. But they're the most thin skinned, unhappy, pathetic pieces of nonsense I've ever seen. Why? Because it's not about having any of that stuff. It's believing a better story. All they need is basic emotional regulation. You know what you need? To not have people fighting wars. Basic effing emotional regulation. I don't kill people. You know? (Laughing) Basic emotional regulation.

WDG: Yeah, exactly. So all stories. So okay, so we have tech aliens. We get, depending if the governments agree or not, we get riots and war. If we have fey aliens, it's just utter nonsense and chaos, right?

Baba: Yeah, like it's faster in the anarchy. But people are more prone to burning witches, so it actually probably easier to clean up those of us that set up

WDG: this kind of thing. Yeah, and then like the altruistic aliens possibly, the government still try to kill them, right? Because we don't want them to, they don't want them to bring--

Baba: How do you keep ending up with these sad stories? Yeah, I know. It's like, I just feel like--

WDG: Is there any way out of this? Well, I think it's like, you know, this is, it's like, it definitely has like, you know, I feel like there's like, yeah, there's not a, you know, and then I mean, but then like-- What if they blow up the White

Baba: House like we did an Independence Day? Yeah, it's just-- Spoiler alert. Yeah, sorry guys. That was like 50 years ago. Oh, and the best line in the movie is, "Up your--" The movie looks really good, I have to say. I mean, Spielberg has some background in alien stories, speaking of stories. And actually, if we look back at Close Encounters of the Third Kind, like, they're good guys, you know. See previous notes on emotional regulation. One might conclude that in order to get to the point where one can fold space on top of itself, fly to the other wherever, set up a zoo of people, us, that maybe you would have to have achieved some level of emotional regulation already to have not wiped each other out entirely. So maybe they are good guys. And maybe they just wanna help us out, because we seem to be stuck in this pattern for the last 17,000 years. Basically saying to spot desires and then killing somebody.

WDG: Being a king of sorts.

Baba: Yeah, yeah. Thinking that there's something good about having it all, where actually all you need is to, if you have problems with emotional regulation, considering visiting whiterabbithypnosis.com for all your hypnosis needs. This is easy stuff, people, we can get past this.

WDG: Let's take like one phenomenon, right? Like, so let's talk about like say like abduction, right? And so now like, we know aliens exist, like all the governments said, yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's good. Like, and the abductions were caused by aliens. Like people did really get abducted, right? It's like, what do people think about that? Like, what's that kind of? If people get like really, like it's like, Depends on the official story. The government like, why were they abducting us? Like, you know, it's like,

Baba: If the story is, we don't know, or it's classified, or something like that.

WDG: They can never say, they don't know. They'll always have to say it's classified, even if they don't know. It's like, because it's just, it looks like.

Baba: Because of the history of everything, people would assume that there are nefarious intentions at not sharing it. Either the nefarious intentions on part of the government, or nefarious intentions on part of the aliens. And people would take matters into their own hands whenever they saw something they thought was an alien. So I think like, you'd have a lot more of that. You'd have like a lot more people like shooting at planes, and like shooting at, like, you'd have a lot of that kind of stuff, because you have people going into pizza parlors that don't have basements and blown holes in walls or whatever, cause of the basements that aren't there. So I mean, like, you know.

Danny C: What if they did it under the guise of they were trying to help us? Like, oh, they were trying to help us, you know, cure colorectal

Baba: cancer, or? Actually, no matter what story, you'd have both camps. You'd have ones that said, that's just the cover up. They're really using it to find out how to best cook humans, both the best temperature to cook humans at, whether they're better as a Suvi kind of. Yeah, so, and then you'd have people that believed it. And what the breakdown would be, would probably be depending on how the story was put out there. I really, I think the best thing is for the aliens to just reveal it themselves. But I think that is how we get around all of this. You've got tens of thousands of ships that just show up and just, you just, they just, people, they start landing. And they, I don't know.

Danny C: So for any aliens that are watching this podcast, and we know you are, this is, we speak for the world. We speak for everyone here.

Baba: You have to come directly to us because all sources are tainted. This is the preferred method of disclosure.

WDG: Okay, I'm gonna, just one ship comes and it lands like, I don't know, on like Easter Island or something. It just hangs out there. And like people go out to sea. That's been happening for a while. People go out to see, but no, but like they said, but people got to see it. And like, like all of the different government officials get on it, right? And then they get off of it. And then it leaves like, no. Like it's like, I never would know. I was like, yep, they were aliens. Wait, the billionaires have to get on there too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it goes, and they takes them away. Cause they said they're the ones in charge, like so. And then like, they don't come back. That sounds pretty good.

Baba: Especially if they don't come back.

WDG: Tell you what guys. I'm trying to find a good spin on this. And I don't know. They have to come to us.

Baba: We're the only trusted voice. But I think the aliens are the ones. With all the lies out there, "Wondering Monsters" podcast is the only trusted voice. They need to come to us and we'll tell you.

Danny C: That's our new tagline, "Wondering Monsters" podcast, the only trusted voice.

Baba: Only trusted voice. In a world full of so many fake voices, trust these, they're real.

WDG: Yeah, I don't think there is a good way. I think there's nothing, there's no, it would have to be like, cause somebody's gonna freak, like no matter what. You're gonna have like, somebody's gonna lose it. Or, okay, or. It's like, you know, it's like.

Danny C: The only way this will happen then, I think that if you're saying it will not happen, then the only way I think it can happen is if the world needs a major distraction. So they need something major to take our focus off of this one thing and put us over here.

WDG: So the spaceship comes out, and the band comes out, and it's like, "Over there!" Look it over there. Don't look here, look over there.

Baba: I mean, to be, just to call it out, all this stuff over disclosure in recent years coming from the US government, seems conveniently poised to be a distraction tactic. So yeah.

WDG: So see, like, there you go, like, do you believe, like it's like, oh, something's happening, but we don't know what it is. Or, they do know what it is. I like the, that's all he said. See, it's like this. The problem is. You're even like, you can't even.

Baba: Here's the problem, and guys, you should still come back for our show, okay? Just come back, okay?

WDG: Sure, we'll try to get it up. The problem is. We'll help you get at the end of this.

Baba: No, they can't be verified. The problem is nothing can be verified because we are in an epistemic crisis of unprecedented occurrence. Because anything can be faked, and now it's getting even, like, three years from now. Forget it. Like, no one's even gone by, they're looking for truth anymore, which is what I recommend. Seek beauty. Seek beauty. Make art, and make friends with aliens. Try to summon them. Try to summon them. Because I think you're gonna, you're gonna be surprised. No matter what happens.

WDG: Okay, so aliens are, what if that, aliens are, let's get the fay thing. Aliens are straight up like demons, right?

Baba: You feel better off than dealing with the government. Yeah. Demons tend to keep their word, even if you have to deal with your words carefully.

WDG: Governments don't. Everything people thought were the devil or demons or things are straight up, that's what the aliens were the whole time, right? It's like, they come out of circles, and like, they get summoned out.

Baba: I mean, based on who's wound up in power, I think they probably are the ones that were in charge anyway. The devils and demons and things. So, good. We got all kinds of technology to get in touch with them. And make good deals.

Danny C: Do you think we should do ratings? Do you think we should move that, go fly down that?

WDG: Sure.

Baba: Pick your scariest version, and which ratings would you give it? Or should we do all three? Let's rate all three. Yeah, we'll do that. Gotta give something to these people that stayed here this long.

WDG: Absolutely, yeah.

Baba: (Laughing) Besides our love and our appreciation, which is real, still real, even in 2026. Who was, sorry, I mean, thank me. All right, the mechanical ones. I give it a two for scary, because I don't think they care about me. And I don't think I've been abducted yet. I probably have different feelings on it, one way or another, if I were. The fae version, I'm gonna give a four, because they don't have as many boundaries. But not a five, because I still feel like they're-

WDG: Well, you can make deals, or you can kind of like do different stuff. Yeah. There's like things like iron and salt and stuff you got on, you know, you can find.

Baba: Yeah, those are still around these days. Yeah. Yeah, and then I think that's it. I'm not scared at all of the utopian ones. I guess that scenario is a little scary, because I just feel like there'd be like some big government crack. I'm most scared, five, I'm scared of the government people that try to shut it all down and suppress us all after the fact. That's the scariest of all. Because humans are scary.

WDG: Turns out we're the illustrious.

Baba: At the end of all these episodes, the conclusion is the same. We are all of it.

WDG: Yeah, technology, I'm gonna give it like a three and a half. Because I do think like the, I mean, most of these like conclusions lead to some level of like rioting and or banding together, but still with some level of like rioting and disruption. Like serious like, you know, thing. And it's like the possibility, I think of the, because they're technology based, that we could also use our technology to like do something to them, you know, like somebody thinks that, right? And I think like the kind of like, the nature of like, oh, we gotta get all the resources we can to escape the aliens. Like if we hide out in our bunkers or mountains or whatever it is, like, you know, whether whatever their intentions are, good, bad or indifferent, it's like, I think that that, like there'd be a lot of chaos, possibly wars breaking out, right? More wars than breaking out. I should have figured that out. It's a, yeah, the fainting, yeah, I think it'd be like about a four, I think that would be a weirder, more intense like version. It's just like, yeah, I think there would be more deals to make and things to have, and there might be more like strange banding together of like different people in different ways. And the government really wouldn't be able to do much about that. Like when like, you know, like a boogie man is eating somebody or something. (Laughs) Or like, or like, or like, you know, you've made some, you know, you've like you're like hoarding iron and salt now and like running around like possibly with bands of fighting phase or making agreements with some or making demonic packs or like doing all kinds of fun, like, you know, stuff like that. You know, you just don't know what would happen. What's the end result? It's like, is it like, it's like Dungeons and Dragons turned up to 11 with lists? Something like everything goes crazy. (Laughs) Like, I don't know what the, and I don't want the world to, so I think four would be like a, just the chaos would be a whole different variant of chaos. You know, it's like it would be a whole new chaos system.

Baba: Something I didn't consider in my answer, but you're right.

WDG: The utopia thing, I think, yeah, I'll give it, I'll probably give it like a, maybe like a two, because like, I think initially there'd be a lot of chaos, but if the aliens are like, you know, have the tech, they might be able to tamp it down, but then again, it could have just lead to chaos, and they'd just leave and be like, "This isn't even worth messing with," but Edward just left with like, "What was that?" And we're never coming back here again. Kind of, like, you people can't get it together, and we're just, we were just not coming back. So I mean, like, it's like, which we might not be worse off than we were, but still might lead to some chaos, but maybe not as crazy a rioting as the, we don't know what's going on, you know, type of alien, so it's a, so yeah, so I'll put that in a two, and I think, yeah, I think that's, and what was the other, what was the last scenario?

Baba: I threw in the government people that suppressed everything.

WDG: I think the government suppressed everything is like, I think it would just be, if they still could maintain their authority, yeah, they're still scary, like, and people have weird allegiances to the government in ways that like are kind of scary sometimes now. So I think I'll give that a three, but that's my normal everyday kind of scary. Yeah, neither goes up nor down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, okay.

Danny C: Kind of going back and forth on this, my first thought was four straight down, and my logic behind it kind of spins differently for each one, I mean, when it comes to the mechanical, it's, now, you know, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say three straight down, because I think, I find a lot of these interesting and the opportunities that come out of that would be very cool if they go the right way. And I really do believe that, should these things really exist in whatever form they are, if they were gonna do harm, they would have done it already. It doesn't make sense to like hold off until everybody knows about that all of a sudden, it's all right, cool, they know, let it see, you know, like it doesn't, it just doesn't make sense to me. So, so I think three straight down for pretty much all the same reason, I think the concept of the fact, I think that'd be very interesting, now finding out like all of a sudden that these other things could be just as real, you know, the goblins, the bloody berries, the leprechauns, whatever, I think that would be very interesting. I don't know if it really happened, would I really be spinning the same number here, because I could be more scared at that point, but I think at least in concept, I think it'd be very interesting and create a very interesting world. Utopian, I feel like that we would not really see the benefits of that. I think it would take time to actually all play out, which would be a real disappointment. And both, I got a very interesting point where if it starts out that way and everyone starts to rely on it, they're like, "Ah, just get it, peace." And they leave and that's like, "Oh great, we gotta, how are we gonna get food now? "I gotta buy food, I gotta get food." And I could just see something like that happening too, where all of a sudden, you know, now we're killing each other, cause there's no food, there's no water, and that was the plan all along. So I think I'll give that a three as well, cause I think that's kind of like, it can kind of go either way. And then when it comes to humans, I feel like, you know, it's same thing as always. So I got, so three straight down for me.

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